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Old 08-31-2012, 06:24 PM  
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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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Here's the Kent Hovind Theory:



"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 10-11-2012, 06:52 AM   #451
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does our ever changing position in space relative to the objects in question get accounted for in the calculations? how does the Doppler effect come in to play? over those great distances and great amounts of time, how does our own speed relative to that observed light affect time dilation? if you have a good link that would be great, save you some typing
Dave sort of answered this but let me take the stab at this. I will include a web site you can look at. It doesn't give direct answers to your specific questions but does verify the answers I am giving you is in line with methods.

1 The determination of distance would be based upon the light delivering the information. So any calculations would give the distance that light wave traveled. And that traveling time would be the speed of light.
2 The identification of the variable star is based upon the amount of time it takes to go from its brightest moment to its faintest moment. That does not involve the wavelength. Doppler effects and Red Shifts affect wavelength. And at these distances would not be at all significant in calculations. I was using conservative distances obtained by this process not dependent upon Hubble Constant, that are still orders of magnitude greater than 9000 years.
3 Usually several of these stars in the same galaxy are used and averaged so that the relative motions are averaged out. Though that isn't the intent of averaging. That being just good science to use more than one source.
4 Time dilation is matter moving close to the speed of light through space or the effects of strong gravity. Any of these would show up in distortions of the light source.

Note this site states that most errors underestimate the distances.
http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys240...d/cepheid.html
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:17 AM   #452
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:27 AM   #453
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Killer Clown's eyes have glazed over. He's no longer paying attention.
*hrmph* Better not to cast pearls before swine.
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I think personally he's surrendered to superior intellect.
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:07 PM   #455
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The world is definitely more than 9,000 years old. There is archaeological evidence aplenty to prove it so, regardless of what the Bible - or anyone else - says.

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Old 10-11-2012, 02:59 PM   #456
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Paul Broun of Georgia, a physician, is the most recent Congressman to vocalize a young earth. But Akins of Missouri is a graduate of D. James Kennedy school of Theology and would therefore be a young earth Congressman too. There are additonal ones of course but these two are on the Science committee (Akins does have some degree in Engineering and served in Army in that capacity).
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:59 PM   #457
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*hrmph* Better not to cast pearls before swine.
So Killer Clown's response is to quote the Bible for the billionth time.

Wow, he really showed me!
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:18 PM   #458
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I think personally he's surrendered to superior intellect.
.....that's pretty funny coming from a guy who can't correctly apply the contraction he is in a sentence.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:22 PM   #459
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.....that's pretty funny coming from a guy who can't correctly apply the contraction he is in a sentence.
Help me out here: what was grammatically incorrect with Dave Lane's sentence?
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:30 PM   #460
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The contraction he's can also be short for he has.

Also, "he is surrendered to" is proper grammar anyway.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:33 PM   #461
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.....that's pretty funny coming from a guy who can't correctly apply the contraction he is in a sentence.
Might as well be a good time to bring out this gem. One of my favorite reps from the grammar guru himself.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:58 PM   #462
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The contraction he's can also be short for he has.

Also, "he is surrendered to" is proper grammar anyway.
thanks, aries, I stand corrected...

though 'he is surrendered to' still sounds odd, as opposed to 'he is surrendering to'

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Old 10-11-2012, 08:02 PM   #463
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So Killer Clown's response is to quote the Bible for the billionth time.

Wow, he really showed me!
I won't have to, GOD will judge you according to you unending stupidity.
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I won't have to, GOD will judge you according to you unending stupidity.
Or not.
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I won't have to, GOD will judge you according to you unending stupidity.
I'm still curious what you are going to do if you find out after death it's actually Ganesha the fat elephant god that is real and you were wrong.
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