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Old 09-03-2012, 02:26 PM  
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I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already.

Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn.

I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week.

Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards.

Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards.

The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills.

Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily.

The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together.

Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players.

3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down.

3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down.

3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured.

Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD.

That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them.

I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:47 AM   #181
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All I'm saying is give him a shot......if he fails....then he has no excuses. Even you had to admit (before the INT) that he was playing better than you expected him too.
Oh he absolutely was playing much better. I was pretty impressed. And by all means I want him to get a shot just as bad as you do. For different reasons obviously. But I definitely do want him to start.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:48 AM   #182
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Oh he absolutely was playing much better. I was pretty impressed. And by all means I want him to get a shot just as bad as you do. For different reasons obviously. But I definitely do want him to start.
I fully get that the reason we want to see him get a shot is completely different. At least we can agree on him getting a shot.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:50 AM   #183
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Didnt he have his shot in Cleveland?
It's been talked about before....but his shot in Cleveland was ****ed. He got drafted as the QBoTF. Anderson went out and earned a new contract.....so they weren't going to bench Anderson over Quinn. Quinn finally got his shot....and got injured. Crennel got fired and Mangini came in and completely ****ed up that QB situation. He would bench Anderson and start Quinn until Quinn made a mistake....and then he would bench Quinn for Anderson. Rinse and repeat.

Could he have played better when he had his shot? **** yes.

Go look at all of the teams that he's played on. This team surrounds him with the talent that he's never really had.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:53 AM   #184
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Oh...and FWIW.....if Quinn gets the start and tears it up. I'm fully on board with drafting a QB next year to sit behind him for the 1st year and then open competition after that.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:54 AM   #185
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It's been talked about before....but his shot in Cleveland was ****ed. He got drafted as the QBoTF. Anderson went out and earned a new contract.....so they weren't going to bench Anderson over Quinn. Quinn finally got his shot....and got injured. Crennel got fired and Mangini came in and completely ****ed up that QB situation. He would bench Anderson and start Quinn until Quinn made a mistake....and then he would bench Quinn for Anderson. Rinse and repeat.

Could he have played better when he had his shot? **** yes.

Go look at all of the teams that he's played on. This team surrounds him with the talent that he's never really had.
I dont disagree with any of that, but he had his chances to beat out Derick Anderson and couldnt do it.

He might get his shot again someday and do well, but at this point in time, its pointless to continue whining about him starting over Cassel.

I have no expectations about Quinn. None. The realist in me thinks hes not any better than Cassel overall though. Just because a guy has a stronger arm doesnt make him better.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:56 AM   #186
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All I'm saying is give him a shot......if he fails....then he has no excuses. Even you had to admit (before the INT) that he was playing better than you expected him too.
This is what I am talking about. Bad ****ing post. Why the **** even write something like this? He's done getting shots. His only chance is if Cassel gets hurt. Even if that happens, he will have a very short leash.

Brady Quinn sucks. Especially when you consider that QBs get extra time to develop. Then when you consider that first round draft picks get even more time to develop it must eventually cross your mind that Quinn sucks ass. He might be able to manage a game or two for us but that is realistically it.

I admired the way he played the other night but he is a short term back up QB. That's all he is. He had his chances and failed.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:57 AM   #187
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Despite all the agreements and disagreements....can we ALL agree that if he does get his chance here, this will determine whether or not he can make it as a starting QB the rest of his career?
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:58 AM   #188
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It's been talked about before....but his shot in Cleveland was ****ed. He got drafted as the QBoTF. Anderson went out and earned a new contract.....so they weren't going to bench Anderson over Quinn. Quinn finally got his shot....and got injured. Crennel got fired and Mangini came in and completely ****ed up that QB situation. He would bench Anderson and start Quinn until Quinn made a mistake....and then he would bench Quinn for Anderson. Rinse and repeat.

Could he have played better when he had his shot? **** yes.

Go look at all of the teams that he's played on. This team surrounds him with the talent that he's never really had.
People should read this. Slowly. Then re-read it.

Whether or not Quinn is any good remains to be seen. The only thing that is certain is Quinn has never had a legitimate chance in the NFL. 11 starts in your first two years on the worst franchise in football doesn't tell you much.

My guess is, however, we're still looking at drafting a QB next year. And I'm guessing it's in the 2nd round.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:59 AM   #189
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Despite all the agreements and disagreements....can we ALL agree that if he does get his chance here, this will determine whether or not he can make it as a starting QB the rest of his career?
I can fully agree with that.
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can we ALL agree that if he does get his chance here, this will determine whether or not he can make it as a starting QB the rest of his career?
There are guys around here that still believe Thigpen can be a starter. What do you think?
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I dont disagree with any of that, but he had his chances to beat out Derick Anderson and couldnt do it.

He might get his shot again someday and do well, but at this point in time, its pointless to continue whining about him starting over Cassel.

I have no expectations about Quinn. None. The realist in me thinks hes not any better than Cassel overall though. Just because a guy has a stronger arm doesnt make him better.
I disagree. If both have their limitations - decision making, accuracy, pocket awareness - then I will take the guy who has one less limitation - arm strength.

At least Quinn can get it to the receivers 35 yards downfield when they're open. Whether or not the throw is accurate, I don't know. But he can get it there, which is more than I can say for Cassel.
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I can fully agree with that.
Yep. Last chance.
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Quinn is a guy who has been unable to beat out Derek Anderson, Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow and Matt Cassel. It took three weeks of preseason to beat out Ricky Stanzi.
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People should read this. Slowly. Then re-read it.

Whether or not Quinn is any good remains to be seen. The only thing that is certain is Quinn has never had a legitimate chance in the NFL. 11 starts in your first two years on the worst franchise in football doesn't tell you much.

My guess is, however, we're still looking at drafting a QB next year. And I'm guessing it's in the 2nd round.
You gotta look at what we can't see. What about Mike Holmgren's point of view? He's seen more good QBs come and go than almost anyone. He shipped him out of town for virtually nothing. You don't do that with franchise QBs. He picked up Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy because Brady Quinn sucked. Also, don't forget about 102 year old Jake Delhomme. He wanted him over Quinn too.

Then think about how the Broncos cut Orton and started Tebow last year. Orton almost took us to the playoffs and Quinn rode the pine. John Fox looked at Brady Quinn and said to himself, "we got no shot with this kid."

I guess what I am trying to say is that Brady Quinn sucks worse than all of those guys above. People that know QBs and more than one coach have said "no way" to Quinn. He's out of chances. He's not here for a chance.
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You gotta look at what we can't see. What about Mike Holmgren's point of view? He's seen more good QBs come and go than almost anyone. He shipped him out of town for virtually nothing. You don't do that with franchise QBs. He picked up Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy because Brady Quinn sucked. Also, don't forget about 102 year old Jake Delhomme. He wanted him over Quinn too.

Then think about how the Broncos cut Orton and started Tebow last year. Orton almost took us to the playoffs and Quinn rode the pine. John Fox looked at Brady Quinn and said to himself, "we got no shot with this kid."

I guess what I am trying to say is that Brady Quinn sucks worse than all of those guys above. People that know QBs and more than one coach have said "no way" to Quinn. He's out of chances. He's not here for a chance.
John Fox looked at Quinn and said they have no shot with him? That's why they were designing packages for Quinn going into the playoffs last year because they knew Tebow couldn't pass if they needed him to.

And Holmgren....who knows QBs....went with Wallace and McCoy? That says a lot about Holmgren. You know....the same guy that just drafted a 29 year old rookie QB in the 1st round. Yep....QB guru.
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