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Old 09-03-2012, 01:26 PM  
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I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already.

Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn.

I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week.

Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards.

Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards.

The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills.

Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily.

The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together.

Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players.

3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down.

3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down.

3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured.

Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD.

That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them.

I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:18 AM   #256
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Its funny how it went from Stanzi saving this franchise to now Quinn... Can these threads get any more absurd... They sure are entertaining to say the least...
For certain people.....it's always been Quinn. BossChief and I have been going back and forth all offseason about who should start.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:18 AM   #257
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I'm not wasting my time trying to convince you. OP says alot of it.
Seeing his over all body of work says alot more also...
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:19 AM   #258
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Say we eventually draft a 1st round qb, how much time does he get from you guys?
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:21 AM   #259
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Say we eventually draft a 1st round qb, how much time does he get from you guys?
3 years. Starts immediately. None of this grooming bullshit you hear people throw around..

IF he isnt want you want in year 3, you draft another and start over.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:27 AM   #260
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So, by that measure, Quinn never got a fair shot?
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:37 AM   #261
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Say we eventually draft a 1st round qb, how much time does he get from you guys?
Typically at least 3, usually 4 for a top 10 pick. One picked in the back half of the 1st round there are no such garuntees. Teams usually donít have as much money wrapped up in those guys
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:38 AM   #262
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I would agree that Quinn never got a fair shot in Cleveland. Plus, look what he had to work with there. The bottom line is that we have seen what Cassel can do and its time to move on.

We have a solid OL, RB, and WR's. It is time to see how successful a QB can be throwing down the field with these offensive weapons. It really doesn't matter whether its Quinn or Stanzi but one of them needs to be given a shot with this team. I would be comfortable with either one.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:39 AM   #263
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So, by that measure, Quinn never got a fair shot?
Some would say that. Those that watch the fighting Irish on Saturdays. Others would say he had a shot on several different teams and never even impressed enough to warrant Sunday playing time.

Quinn should have had an edge over Cassel in camp. He had more familiarity with Daboll. He has better mechanics and arm strength. He should have been blowing Cassel away every day in camp in drills. Instead, all we heard was inconsistency.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:42 AM   #264
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Some would say that. Those that watch the fighting Irish on Saturdays. Others would say he had a shot on several different teams and never even impressed enough to warrant Sunday playing time.

Quinn should have had an edge over Cassel in camp. He had more familiarity with Daboll. He has better mechanics and arm strength. He should have been blowing Cassel away every day in camp in drills. Instead, all we heard was inconsistency.
Seriously? Quinn should have the edge in camp?

Yeah.....it's easy to show that edge in camp when you're consistently getting to throw to targets like Newsome and Maneri.

Go back and look at the preseason games. Who completed more of their passes to the receivers? Quinn. All Cassel did was dump off to RBs or 6 yard passes to McCluster.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:45 AM   #265
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That's your opinion. I respect that.

EDIT: Just rewatched it. Ball was outside... waist high. Ball lead him to the ground reaching for it to pull it in.
i rewatched it 5/6 times when you posted this with slomo on dvr.

ball was place right were that in-route takes the receiver

Receiver cuts inside and then curls outside around the defender. Hoping the momentum of the defender takes him too far inside.


All Bowe had to do was keep his feet moving instead of leaning for it.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:53 AM   #266
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Some would say that. Those that watch the fighting Irish on Saturdays.
I can't stand Notre Dame (and don't particularly like Quinn) and I don't think he got a fair shot in Cleveland because, you know, I actually paid attention to what was going on in Cleveland from '07-'09.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:54 AM   #267
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Seriously? Quinn should have the edge in camp?

Yeah.....it's easy to show that edge in camp when you're consistently getting to throw to targets like Newsome and Maneri.

Go back and look at the preseason games. Who completed more of their passes to the receivers? Quinn. All Cassel did was dump off to RBs or 6 yard passes to McCluster.
Cassel is coming off season ending hand surgery and was completely unfamiliar with Daboll. Quinn had an edge in the sytem and health.

Quinn did complete more passes to WRs. Part of that was by design. Don't tell me for one second the game design of the first two games wasn't to utlize the TEs and to see how Dex did in the slot, and the fourth game was to run the ball. Yes, Cassel played poorly in game 3. Still, all camp reports were that Cassel was by far the best QB in camp. It sucks, but the level of talent at QB just isn't there.
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That's who I thought it was too.

I deleted the game from DVR, otherwise I'd go back and check. But I was almost sure it was Newsome.

Someone copied the game play by play from ESPN or something....I still don't believe it. I saw Newsome as well...and while it was a poorly thrown ball...the WR made matters much worse by stopping in his route, allowing the DB to step in front of the pass.
The INT was Newsome. I thought you were talking about the slant.
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If Brady Quinn is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.
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