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Old 09-03-2012, 07:33 PM  
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:20 AM   #76
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:31 AM   #77
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:15 PM   #78
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I even saw a sign at the post office that said you had to have ID to pick up a Parcel.
Heck I had to show a photo ID and then get a finger print scan to enter Disney World. The libs here should boycott Disney World for this insane practice of proving who you are. Don't they know there are countless people who cannot manage to get a photo ID, and let's not even talk about the cost of getting a finger print~
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:58 PM   #79
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Which brings me to my previous point. If it was so necessary to function in the first place, people would already have one. The fact that they don't proves you can get by without one.

Nobody said that it is not a good idea to see id before voting. The crux of the argument is that if you must purchase something in order to be able to vote, then that is a poll tax and poll taxes are illegal.

For all those who say that the Dems just want to be able to commit voter fraud then I ask you why did they approve of the measure in GA, which provides free id and afterward fight TX, because it didn't?

Seriously, what is the issue? Provide free id that is suitable to vote with and this problem goes away. By fighting it, it proves that this issue really is about keeping people from the polls.
Fair enough. I still disagree with you on certain points (such as it being a poll tax) but I respect your opinion. We will just have to agree to disagree. I do see no issues with issuing free IDs though.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:12 PM   #80
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Hilarious. You have to have a goddam ID to get into the convention full of people who don't think you should have an ID to vote. Hypocrites.
That's hypocritical? How so?

Have you ever been to a trade convention of ANY kind? If so, you'd know you're required to show your badge with photo ID for entry.

I've been to the NAMM show a countless number of times in Anaheim and every single time, I have to show ID with my badge. Otherwise, ANYONE could get in.

This is a silly non-issue.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:15 PM   #81
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I'm all for giving people a free ID as long as they have proof they are a citizen of the USA.
So, would everyone need a copy of their birth certificate or SSN and if they didn't have it readily available (or unaware of such a law), would they get to vote?
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:16 PM   #82
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I've always thought the security around elected officials is ironic at best. Seems to be if they were doing such a great job they really wouldn't need security.



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Old 09-04-2012, 10:17 PM   #83
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I think that is an excellent point...
Yeah, that worked out really well for John Lennon...

JFC, some of you people shouldn't be allowed to vote because you're so ****ing stupid.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:27 PM   #84
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Yeah, that worked out really well for John Lennon...
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Old 09-05-2012, 07:16 AM   #85
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Yeah, that worked out really well for John Lennon...

JFC, some of you people shouldn't be allowed to vote because you're so ****ing stupid.
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Old 09-05-2012, 07:24 AM   #86
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That's hypocritical? How so?

Have you ever been to a trade convention of ANY kind? If so, you'd know you're required to show your badge with photo ID for entry.

I've been to the NAMM show a countless number of times in Anaheim and every single time, I have to show ID with my badge. Otherwise, ANYONE could get in.

This is a silly non-issue.
The old "it's always been this way" argument.

The same participant integrity issues are present with the vote if you don't require effective ID. That's why it's hypocritical.
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:33 AM   #87
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Other than boarding a plane, I can't remember the last time I was asked for ID for anything.
Why would you need an id to sit in your parents basement running your mouth on an internet board?

Only a non US citizen or disfunctional adult person cannot obtain an id and neither should be voting to determine the course of our countries future.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:17 AM   #88
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I am against requiring an ID to vote. Here's why.

1. I'm not convinced there's a problem that needs to be solved in the first place. Are there a lot of cases of voter fraud which requiring an ID would prevent? To be fair, I haven't diligently fact-checked this to the ends of the earth like I usually like to, so if someone has a source about this that's not just one extreme shouting at the other, I'd read it.

2. It would require a governmental program to issue free ID's, and that would cost money.

3. Even with free ID's, it still puts an additional requirement which must be met before someone can vote. While that's not strictly a poll tax, in my mind it's still against the spirit of allowing everyone a vote. I can think of a lot of reasons why someone would not want a government ID: They live in the country and can't get to the ID office, which could be hundreds of miles away; they are infirm or house-bound and similarly can't get to the office; they are homeless and don't have a permanent residence, which they may or may not need or think they need for the ID; they distrust the government and don't want the ID; they are of a religion that likens a national ID to the biblical 'mark' (they're out there). All of these people - plus the ones who won't understand the changes to the system after they've been voting their whole adult lives - are allowed to vote, but would find it difficult or impossible to do so.

4. Most of the people who don't already have a government-issued ID - the very young, the very old, the homeless - tend to vote Democratic. The politicians know this. I've noticed that this movement is more enthusiastically championed by my right-leaning friends and message-board-mates, making me think this is a really partisan and fairly underhanded tactic to reduce Democratic turnout in November.

Also, just to clear up a misconception in this thread, the right to vote is not guaranteed by the Constitution. It's implied by 230 years of legal precedent, but it's not in the actual document. It's semantics, but it's the way it is.
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I am against requiring an ID to vote. Here's why.

1. I'm not convinced there's a problem that needs to be solved in the first place. Are there a lot of cases of voter fraud which requiring an ID would prevent? To be fair, I haven't diligently fact-checked this to the ends of the earth like I usually like to, so if someone has a source about this that's not just one extreme shouting at the other, I'd read it.

2. It would require a governmental program to issue free ID's, and that would cost money.

3. Even with free ID's, it still puts an additional requirement which must be met before someone can vote. While that's not strictly a poll tax, in my mind it's still against the spirit of allowing everyone a vote. I can think of a lot of reasons why someone would not want a government ID: They live in the country and can't get to the ID office, which could be hundreds of miles away; they are infirm or house-bound and similarly can't get to the office; they are homeless and don't have a permanent residence, which they may or may not need or think they need for the ID; they distrust the government and don't want the ID; they are of a religion that likens a national ID to the biblical 'mark' (they're out there). All of these people - plus the ones who won't understand the changes to the system after they've been voting their whole adult lives - are allowed to vote, but would find it difficult or impossible to do so.

4. Most of the people who don't already have a government-issued ID - the very young, the very old, the homeless - tend to vote Democratic. The politicians know this. I've noticed that this movement is more enthusiastically championed by my right-leaning friends and message-board-mates, making me think this is a really partisan and fairly underhanded tactic to reduce Democratic turnout in November.

Also, just to clear up a misconception in this thread, the right to vote is not guaranteed by the Constitution. It's implied by 230 years of legal precedent, but it's not in the actual document. It's semantics, but it's the way it is.
I think the problem is more with illegal aliens voting:

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In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen*sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

Florida is not unique. Thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in some states, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in total may be present on the voter rolls nationwide. These numbers are significant: Local elections are often decided by only a handful of votes, and even national elections have likely been within the margin of the number of non-citizens ille*gally registered to vote.
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That's why they call repubs racist. We all know that most poor people in this country have an ID. They need it to cash their assistance checks for one. It's not the poor that is the problem, it's the illegals. Which makes us (conservatives) racist because most illegals are Mexican. It's a crock of shit of course, but that's what people say when they don't have anything else to say. RACIST!!!
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4. Most of the people who don't already have a government-issued ID - the very young, the very old, the homeless - tend to vote Democratic. The politicians know this. I've noticed that this movement is more enthusiastically championed by my right-leaning friends and message-board-mates, making me think this is a really partisan and fairly underhanded tactic to reduce Democratic turnout in November.
The opposite is also true. The rejection of such a common sense rule nearly exclusively by left-leaning friends and messageboard-mates makes me think this is really a partisan and fairly underhanded tactic to maintain maximum democrat turnout in November. Whether by qualified voters or not.
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