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Old 09-03-2012, 09:05 PM  
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What speeches are you all looking forward to/dreading?
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:18 AM   #181
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I appears that "hope and change" has fizzled out. But they're blaming the venue change on the weather.
Yep !

Hell, most of his fundraisers these last 2 1/2 yrs, the audiences have allllll been manipulated to look like "hope and change" is still on fire
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:32 AM   #182
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Heh. Obama's speech has been moved to the much smaller venue.
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:43 AM   #183
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I was disappointed with the Obama speech. Every time it was starting to feel somewhat real there was another line pandering to a democratic "base". I'm a white, straight male. Evidently you don't really care about my vote.
Yeah, why can't a black woman relate to a white man?
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:09 AM   #184
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There has only been 1 day of this convention and already you have demonstrated that you will not listen, not wanting to finish the marathon, just lie about the time. America deserves better than bankrupting families with reckless financial management that brought the nation to its knees. America deserved better than conservatives who arrogantly refused to work toward a balanced budget. America deserves better than the republican vote to shove the nation into default screwing the private sector, inspite of overwhelming public advocacy for honoring the debt, warnings from past and present Treasury secretaries, past and present chairmen of the Federal Reserve, Nobel prize winning economists, scholars from across the nation and the nation's largest corporations. It's worth noting that when President Clinton balanced the budget he did so without a single republican vote. You say you are a conservative and if you are, you failed miserably in supporting representatives and senators of similar values. No matter what you say, you cannot disguise the utter failure of the conservative movement to govern this nation. Take your pick from failure to defend the nation, economic collapse, 4 dollar gas, failure to capture Bin Laden, 12 million illegal aliens, natural disaster mismanagment, torture, wars and a no child left behind strategy that left everyone behind without a single state meeting goals. Yes, Bush did say, "Man and fish can coexist', but other than that, your conservative philosophy is tired, old, boring, visionless and impedes the innovation that has always pushed the country forward. Come on over my friend, to a world where the air is fresh and the water is free from arsenic.

For your information - the second night of the convention is today.
1. I am a moderate. The blame on the budget is bipartisan but largely driven by a President with zero leadership skills. Instead of working toward a compromise, he belittled his opposition and took sides.
2. Don't be silly. The Fed is a big part of the problem. YOu really want to say they're suggesting a good solution, which is to continue to print money?
3. Don't be silly. The reason we are caught up in debt is because Bush 2 and Obama recklessly spent money with no concern about how to control spending.
4. President Clinton did balance the budget. But it took relentless compromise with a Republican house to do it.
5. I am not a conservative. I hated Bush. I hate Obama. I think the new movement of conservatism is a solution, but not to the extent of Ron Paul discipline, which is unbelievable overkill
6. The failure to defend the nation can't be justified right now when China is cleaning our clock in almost every category and we are seeing enormous instability in the middle east. All the while, we are cutting spending on defense.
7. The economic collapse was bipartisan. Bush didn't help by accelerating spending on defense recklessly while pushing tax cuts. Obama didn't help but continually artificially pumping money into the economy with no concern for ROI. We're spending a credit card and racking up a bigger bill and shrugging our shoulders
8. Gas prices are, in my opinion, far more a liberal issue. The EPA is making it impossible to invest in our own independent oil production / refining, Bernanke continues to devalue the dollar which drives up oil prices, and artificial stimuli lead to higher gas prices
9. Failure to capture Bin Laden has nothing to do with the party in office. Give me a ****ing break. Clinton didn't catch him either.
10. How can you blame the illegal alien problem on conservatives?
11. Natural disaster mismanagement is a symptom of bureaucratic government mess, which is something a new conservative movement is fighting against. Funny you mention that but you don't mention the enormous waste of the GSA. The massive abuses of the welfare system. And the hundreds of other government organizations swimming in bureaucratic mess that comes at taxpayer expense
12. I don't know the answer to education. What I know is the biggest part of the problem is teacher's unions, an area conservatives are finally starting to address. And they're in the liberals' back pocket.

I am not a conservative. I agree with liberals on many social issues. I favor spending on government programs that WORK. I favor spending on education as long as it goes to teachers and improves education for children, not lining the pockets of unions who steal money at the detriment to our kids. I favor a basic level of government intervention, but also know that over-regulation and over-intervention cripples business. I also understand that some level of wealth sharing is necessary to improve health care access, medicare access, and access to retirement savings. But the liberal positions don't just do these things, they create enormous inefficiencies that lead to tremendous government waste.

The fact that you would pin me as a conservative shows just how unbelievably one-sided you are in your ideology. But by all means, go on naively believing one side has everything right on the extreme side.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:14 AM   #185
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Castro's smugness and delivery made me want to punch him in the face.

Michelle Obama, on the other hand, gave one hell of a speech.
Agreed. Castro contradicted himself as well. The guy made no logical sense while making his case. The answer to multiplying success is B.O.? or is B.O. code for centralized Federal authority. That just doesn't work. It will never work.

Michelle's speech was excellent from a delivery standpoint but come on "Barack is always willing to listen to other people and to work with them" Give me a break. He's been hiding under his desk since the deal with Boehner fell through. Why didn't you pick up the phone Barack? The guy is just inept and over his head. November can't here soon enough.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:16 AM   #186
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1. I am a liberal/progressive.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:18 AM   #187
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Romney's response was excellent. "We don't belong to the Government. The Government belongs to us." Perfect.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:22 AM   #188
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I'm not a RINO because I never said I was a Republican, so how can I be a Republican in-name only? I lean conservative because I lean toward the DIRECTION of their fiscal ideologies and fiscal policy is more important to me than social policy.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:23 AM   #189
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I'm not a RINO because I never said I was a Republican, so how can I be a Republican in-name only? I lean conservative because I lean toward the DIRECTION of their fiscal ideologies and fiscal policy is more important to me than social policy.
Ah, okay. I'll remove RINO but leave the other two in.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:32 AM   #190
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:32 AM   #191
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Agreed. Castro contradicted himself as well. The guy made no logical sense while making his case. The answer to multiplying success is B.O.? or is B.O. code for centralized Federal authority. That just doesn't work. It will never work.

Michelle's speech was excellent from a delivery standpoint but come on "Barack is always willing to listen to other people and to work with them" Give me a break. He's been hiding under his desk since the deal with Boehner fell through. Why didn't you pick up the phone Barack? The guy is just inept and over his head. November can't here soon enough.
The difference is that the DNC all agree on talking points, and they are strategic in how they embed them. They also let Michelle Obama be herself, whereas a stiff speechwriter turned Ann Romney into a robot, when she could have appealed as a genuine human being. Would have been nice if the RNC didn't have to pander to the ridiculous Santorum disciples.

I hate that it's true, but the DNC is a hell of a lot better at this political thing. And a lot of that is because in my experience, those who tend to be Republican strategists tend to be out-of-touch elitist white guys. I'm sorry if that's stereotyping, but it's completely true. It's not indicative of Republicans, but the few guys calling the shots. So even though I believe the new conservatism is much more embracing, the talking points and strategies still come from dinosaurs who have no idea how the world really works. One thing I"ll say about Ron Paul is that he is leading a movement that is far more in-tune with Americans as a whole, not just white guys who sit in a country club and complain over cigars.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:50 AM   #192
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Ronpaul is not leading a message of typical Americans. He's a fringe loon.
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Old 09-05-2012, 10:30 AM   #195
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Ronpaul is not leading a message of typical Americans. He's a fringe loon.
I don't think socialism at its extreme is a message of typical Americans either. But it's a message that steers people toward a certain ideology.

That's the way I view Ron Paul. I don't like his policies. I think he's loony in his extremism. But I think his movement is connected to a key frustration that typical Americans are forced to be paying customers of the government and that they should demand some level of accountability for how that's spent. And I appreciate that it's steered the party back to a fiscal conservative platform vs. social conservatism. I also like that they are somewhat dissociated with religious right nut bags. The key is that I think there are a lot of elements of things that are very right and progressive in the Ron Paul movement, whereas the stale GOP ideologies are stuck in a world that is 20 years behind the times.
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