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Old 09-03-2012, 10:05 PM  
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:03 AM   #211
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:10 AM   #212
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What was so good about Clinton's speech? The way he pretended that Barack Obama could take us back to the good old days of the 90's internet and housing bubble?
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:10 AM   #213
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Not anymore. The right is split. And the religious right is looking like it will be a continual weight that drags the right down. I can't help but wonder how powerful their convention could have been if they didn't have to pander by giving Santorum and Boehner the stage.

And right now, that religious right is giving the democrats machine gun ammo. Because I view social issues like gay marriage, immigration reform, and abortion as swing issues. They wouldn't be swing, actually, if the republicans at least veiled their hate. It's one thing to disagree or disapprove, but the pure hatred for these things gives the democrats an opening.

Shame, because the debate should be about our economy. BUt the religious right continues to steer the conversation toward moronic things that are so unimportant right now.

Yes. If the religious right exited the Republican Party, I'd probably vote Republican far more often.

Now I sit there and worry that voting for Scott Brown is also a vote for some asshole religious nutjob to be majority leader of the Senate.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:23 AM   #214
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What was so good about Clinton's speech? The way he pretended that Barack Obama could take us back to the good old days of the 90's internet and housing bubble?
I enjoyed his systematic disassembly of many of the Republican talking points. I especially enjoyed his taking apart of the bullshit superpac ad stating that Obama is looking to undo welfare reform by "taking away" the work requirement.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:25 AM   #215
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:26 AM   #216
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And right now, that religious right is giving the democrats machine gun ammo. Because I view social issues like gay marriage, immigration reform, and abortion as swing issues. They wouldn't be swing, actually, if the republicans at least veiled their hate. It's one thing to disagree or disapprove, but the pure hatred for these things gives the democrats an opening.
If the far right nutjobs had just stayed on abortion when it came to women's reproductive rights, they might have been ok. However, they just had to keep going into things like birth control, in vitro fertilization, etc. That made many people within their own party start to question what the hell they were thinking. That is going to push more people toward the middle of the political spectrum where they will be fair game for the dems to pick up in the election.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:33 AM   #217
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Yes. If the religious right exited the Republican Party, I'd probably vote Republican far more often.

Now I sit there and worry that voting for Scott Brown is also a vote for some asshole religious nutjob to be majority leader of the Senate.
Why do you worry about the religious right? What changes have taken place that cater to them? Other than a few relatively common sense restrictions on abortion and limits on government funding for a few things (which we need more of for reasons completely unrelated to the religious right, frankly). Is it really a huge tragedy if the inevitable march toward gay marriage is slower or if pot decriminalization runs into stiffer opposition than what might otherwise be compared to picking the right people to deal with issues like the economy and fiscal responsibility?
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:51 AM   #218
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I enjoyed his systematic disassembly of many of the Republican talking points. I especially enjoyed his taking apart of the bullshit superpac ad stating that Obama is looking to undo welfare reform by "taking away" the work requirement.
Yeah, he lied about that. Robert Rechtor, one of the primary guys behind the welfare to work legislation signed by Clinton has written a series of papers explaining exactly how Obama's actions really do gut the work requirements.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/12/...elfare-reform/

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...res-of-success
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:01 AM   #219
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If the far right nutjobs had just stayed on abortion when it came to women's reproductive rights, they might have been ok. However, they just had to keep going into things like birth control, in vitro fertilization, etc. That made many people within their own party start to question what the hell they were thinking. That is going to push more people toward the middle of the political spectrum where they will be fair game for the dems to pick up in the election.
Fully agree. And worst of all, these issues are beyond secondary in importance in this election. It's a bad thing when adamancy about issues that don't matter distract from the issues that do. Obama's politically calculating who he can pick off based on target groups the conservatives piss off. Not because of a difference of opinion, but because of an absolute hatred that goes beyond that.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:07 AM   #220
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Why do you worry about the religious right? What changes have taken place that cater to them? Other than a few relatively common sense restrictions on abortion and limits on government funding for a few things (which we need more of for reasons completely unrelated to the religious right, frankly). Is it really a huge tragedy if the inevitable march toward gay marriage is slower or if pot decriminalization runs into stiffer opposition than what might otherwise be compared to picking the right people to deal with issues like the economy and fiscal responsibility?
On social issues like gay marriage and abortion, as I've said before, it's one thing to believe in a position. It's a completely different thing the disgust and disdain the party shows for these groups. More importantly... these things don't really matter that much, but their firm stances are losing MAJOR voting blocs for the Republicans.

On birth control, I don't know how it's viewed as common sense. Birth control saves a ton of money too, including controlling overall health care costs and likely the welfare state of families who now get support for children they didn't want in the first place.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:28 AM   #221
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Great speech by Clinton last night. He dismantled Romney\Ryan and made them look like the fools they are.

In slightly other news as of right now the election is trending Obama's way. Conservative groups and Romney are pulling ads out of Pennsylvania and Michigan and internal polling is showing Obama up by 9 in Ohio.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:30 AM   #222
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Not anymore. The right is split. And the religious right is looking like it will be a continual weight that drags the right down. I can't help but wonder how powerful their convention could have been if they didn't have to pander by giving Santorum and Boehner the stage.

And right now, that religious right is giving the democrats machine gun ammo. Because I view social issues like gay marriage, immigration reform, and abortion as swing issues. They wouldn't be swing, actually, if the republicans at least veiled their hate. It's one thing to disagree or disapprove, but the pure hatred for these things gives the democrats an opening.

Shame, because the debate should be about our economy. BUt the religious right continues to steer the conversation toward moronic things that are so unimportant right now.
explain the pure hatred thing...how does that show up and by who
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:39 AM   #223
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On social issues like gay marriage and abortion, as I've said before, it's one thing to believe in a position. It's a completely different thing the disgust and disdain the party shows for these groups. More importantly... these things don't really matter that much, but their firm stances are losing MAJOR voting blocs for the Republicans.
I can see how that's a big factor for the many voters who make decisions based on emotion and low information, but I was talking specifically to Amnorix who I know is well informed and capable of keeping his emotions in check.

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On birth control, I don't know how it's viewed as common sense. Birth control saves a ton of money too, including controlling overall health care costs and likely the welfare state of families who now get support for children they didn't want in the first place.
I don't know what you're talking about here. The only birth control issue I'm aware of is the religious freedom issue. I never hear people talking about banning birth control or preventing anyone who wants it from getting it. And while I'm sure there are a few of those people out there, they have no chance of even coming close to accomplishing it.
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It's incredible that this whole birth control/abortion thing comes into play every election, yet birth control and abortions are still freely available in the U.S.

Every single presidential election since I've been able to vote the Libs have trumpeted claims that Republicans will make abortion illegal (which of course is not even possible, nor do Republicans even say they want to), and want to take all choice away from women, yada, yada, yada...

And every time lots of open-mouthed, vacuous-eyed, slobbering liberal women jump at the bait.
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I enjoyed his systematic disassembly of many of the Republican talking points. I especially enjoyed his taking apart of the bullshit superpac ad stating that Obama is looking to undo welfare reform by "taking away" the work requirement.
Tfe same day the CBO confirmed Obama did exactly that. Lies, lies, and distotion to deflect from the record of utter failure by Obama.
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