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Old 09-07-2012, 10:07 AM  
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Exposed Drywall Paper

Can I just put primer on the paper before I mud over it, or do I have to go to Sherwin Williams and get this Gardz stuff? I already have the primer, so one less trip would be great.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:54 AM   #61
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Okay, so I sealed it on Saturday, let it dry until this morning. Just mudded it, and the paper is still bubbling up through the mud. Wtf did I do wrong?
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:57 AM   #62
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put a rug over it.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:09 AM   #63
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put a rug over it.
You know, that would really tie the room together.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:52 AM   #64
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Okay, so I sealed it on Saturday, let it dry until this morning. Just mudded it, and the paper is still bubbling up through the mud. Wtf did I do wrong?
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:28 AM   #65
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I'm guessing since you brought it up and based on one of your crazy rants above, I blocked you. But I honestly don't remember for sure. My tolerance for idiots on facebook is vastly less than here, mostly because facebook has much better tools for blocking people. I enjoy cutting nonsense and drama out of my life. If only it were as easy as facebook makes it everywhere else.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:31 AM   #66
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Okay, so I sealed it on Saturday, let it dry until this morning. Just mudded it, and the paper is still bubbling up through the mud. Wtf did I do wrong?
If it's actually sealed up, it's probably not bubbling through. You just have paper pushing through the surface. You have to get the paper down below the bed of mud or build the mud up. Neither is fun nor efficient.
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:23 AM   #67
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So I should just cut it out and replace the drywall? Sounds easier.
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:27 AM   #68
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I don't think that's easier but you might. If you're at the end of your rope on this, give it a shot. But cutting it out and replacing isn't without its own challenges and tricks either. All this trouble you're having is why I carry a drywall stud on staff. She resolves all this crap and I don't have to mess with it. It's always better to let a pro handle things that require years of skills development. TV shows make it look easy. It's not. Not in the slightest.
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:51 AM   #69
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So how would I get the paper below the bed of mud? Maybe I'm not mudding correctly. Maybe I didn't put it on thickly enough.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:29 AM   #70
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UNLIKE Dane McButt Hurt who when proven wrong and called on his shit over a year ago DID in fact post an "I'm gone forever thread....But low and behold here he is....
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Old 09-11-2012, 03:46 PM   #72
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Okay, so I sealed it on Saturday, let it dry until this morning. Just mudded it, and the paper is still bubbling up through the mud. Wtf did I do wrong?

Ok, so you descided to "seal it" then mud it, with some kind of paint...(sorry, but about the WORST thing you could have done), and now it’s bubbling through.

WHY??

Well, it’s really rather simple, when you understand that a sheet of Gyproc is made from a composit calcium compound surounded on BOTH sides by TWO sheets of paper. The first being the "bonding "page"", the second being the top face sheet, which is made with 70% glue to try and STOP moisture saturation.

This is also why they created "Blue Board" for bathrooms.

See it’s a a weird relationship between drywall and paint....They realy dsont like each other. Thats why PRIMER is such a fast drying product, it drys so fast it doesnt have a chance to soak all the way through, BUT creates a "water proof" seal for the finish coat to be applied.
. Think about what happens when you spill water on paper??? Thats exactly what your doing when you "paint" drywall.

The pic’s your showing, show that the "water barrier" coat of paper has been ripped off, what’s left is the "bonding" paper which holds the gypsum retain it’s shape in a "sheet" form.

By Painting it with ANY kind of paint what you did was allow small amounts to seep between the TWO layers of paper surrounding the torn area...thus resulting in loosening the adhesion of the double layer of paper.

Now add to this the fact that ANY home regardless of how well you clean it, will have air born particles, these particles, IE: animal hair, cooking oders, hair car products, smoke (not just ciggs, but cooking) etc, etc, etc, land on painted surfaces, and create a berrier which DOESNT like paintor mud products.

The exposed paper would have had a better adhesion than ANY paint you could have put on top of it.

BUT...Since you did take the advice of others and "paint/prime" it...you’ve lost some of that adhesion, not to mention compounded the problem. As mud and paint although will adhere together, really don’t like to "dance".

At this point, what you need to do is...

Cut out the effected area, if possible, (but not really super important)...try not to go all the way through to the gypsum.
If ya do no biggie...

Hit it with any kind of quick set "mud" compound, and wipe it tight to the surface.
If you don’t think you’re able to mix this up,,,then just go with a commercial brand of per mixed drywall mud., let it sit over night.

Lightly sand, then hit it again, you want to add aprox: a 32nd of an inch
thick coat, let it sit until dry.....lightly sand,
hit it a 3rd time...finish sand

then SEAL it with a product like Benjamin Moor’s "Fresh Start" which is a water damage/Stain sealer...this will NATURALIZE these aforementioned air born oils and particles which don’t like plaster or paint.
Once that primer is dry...finish with what ever top coat you choose.
 
 
 
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Old 09-11-2012, 04:04 PM   #74
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Ok, so you descided to "seal it" then mud it, with some kind of paint...(sorry, but about the WORST thing you could have done), and now itís bubbling through.

WHY??

Well, itís really rather simple, when you understand that a sheet of Gyproc is made from a composit calcium compound surounded on BOTH sides by TWO sheets of paper. The first being the "bonding "page"", the second being the top face sheet, which is made with 70% glue to try and STOP moisture saturation.

This is also why they created "Blue Board" for bathrooms.

See itís a a weird relationship between drywall and paint....They realy dsont like each other. Thats why PRIMER is such a fast drying product, it drys so fast it doesnt have a chance to soak all the way through, BUT creates a "water proof" seal for the finish coat to be applied.
. Think about what happens when you spill water on paper??? Thats exactly what your doing when you "paint" drywall.

The picís your showing, show that the "water barrier" coat of paper has been ripped off, whatís left is the "bonding" paper which holds the gypsum retain itís shape in a "sheet" form.

By Painting it with ANY kind of paint what you did was allow small amounts to seep between the TWO layers of paper surrounding the torn area...thus resulting in loosening the adhesion of the double layer of paper.

Now add to this the fact that ANY home regardless of how well you clean it, will have air born particles, these particles, IE: animal hair, cooking oders, hair car products, smoke (not just ciggs, but cooking) etc, etc, etc, land on painted surfaces, and create a berrier which DOESNT like paintor mud products.

The exposed paper would have had a better adhesion than ANY paint you could have put on top of it.

BUT...Since you did take the advice of others and "paint/prime" it...youíve lost some of that adhesion, not to mention compounded the problem. As mud and paint although will adhere together, really donít like to "dance".

At this point, what you need to do is...

Cut out the effected area, if possible, (but not really super important)...try not to go all the way through to the gypsum.
If ya do no biggie...

Hit it with any kind of quick set "mud" compound, and wipe it tight to the surface.
If you donít think youíre able to mix this up,,,then just go with a commercial brand of per mixed drywall mud., let it sit over night.

Lightly sand, then hit it again, you want to add aprox: a 32nd of an inch
thick coat, let it sit until dry.....lightly sand,
hit it a 3rd time...finish sand

then SEAL it with a product like Benjamin Moorís "Fresh Start" which is a water damage/Stain sealer...this will NATURALIZE these aforementioned air born oils and particles which donít like plaster or paint.
Once that primer is dry...finish with what ever top coat you choose.
 
 
 
Your welcome.
Cut it out how? With just a utility knife? Could I use my sander and just sand it down thoroughly?
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What type of primer did you use? Oil or water based?
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