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Old 09-09-2012, 12:05 AM  
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Serious question about Abortion and Gay Marriage

What percent of the us population has had an abortion, or statistically probably will?

What percent of the population is gay and is married or probably will marry?

I'm venturing a guess here for both demographics it's probably pretty low, say around 3 or 4% for abortion and less than 1% for gay marriage.

The reason why I'm asking is why would the largest political party in the US--- the one that is largely in power-- be so obsessed with something that generally affects very few citizens.

Is it because they don't want to discuss the economy? or a Fiscal policy that has damaged the economy and destroyed millions of lives and families?
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:51 AM   #2
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Serious question about Gun control


What percentage of the US population have been shot or ever will be shot?

I'm venturing a guess here that it's probably pretty low, say around 3 or 4%.

The reason why I'm asking is why would the 2nd largest political party in the US be so obsessed with something that generally affects very few citizens.

Is it because they don't want to discuss the economy? or a Fiscal policy that has damaged the economy and destroyed millions of lives and families?
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:01 AM   #3
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Serious question about Gun control


What percentage of the US population have been shot or ever will be shot?

I'm venturing a guess here that it's probably pretty low, say around 3 or 4%.

The reason why I'm asking is why would the 2nd largest political party in the US be so obsessed with something that generally affects very few citizens.

Is it because they don't want to discuss the economy? or a Fiscal policy that has damaged the economy and destroyed millions of lives and families?
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:13 AM   #4
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What percent of the us population has had an abortion, or statistically probably will?

What percent of the population is gay and is married or probably will marry?

I'm venturing a guess here for both demographics it's probably pretty low, say around 3 or 4% for abortion and less than 1% for gay marriage.

The reason why I'm asking is why would the largest political party in the US--- the one that is largely in power-- be so obsessed with something that generally affects very few citizens.

Is it because they don't want to discuss the economy? or a Fiscal policy that has damaged the economy and destroyed millions of lives and families?
WOAH. Way off on abortion. % of american women who will have an abortion (regardless of reasons) in their lifetime is around 30% (that's from memory but I'm pretty sure it's close to accurate BUT I have never double checked the math so who knows) So % of Americans is in the 10-15% range.

Gay gets even harder to quantify. Are we talking gay men? Women? Bisexual women? (cuz there are a TON of those and growing... god bless 'em!) I think the figure is 3-4% that identify as gay.It's completely meaningless to try to quantify gay marriage since many are not ALLOWED. You could try to compare the numbers for the overall population(70% have been married) and extrapolate, but that's hardly going to accurate. (it would give you roughly 2%)

As for the question. Of course they don't want to discuss the economy... BUT just because an issue doesn't affect a large number of people doesn't mean it isn't important. there are a limited number of cases of DGU (defensive gun use) but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned with gun control laws.
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:14 AM   #5
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Serious question about Gun control


What percentage of the US population have been shot or ever will be shot?

I'm venturing a guess here that it's probably pretty low, say around 3 or 4%.

The reason why I'm asking is why would the 2nd largest political party in the US be so obsessed with something that generally affects very few citizens.

Is it because they don't want to discuss the economy? or a Fiscal policy that has damaged the economy and destroyed millions of lives and families?
oops, didn't see your post until after I posted mine..
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:48 AM   #6
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WOAH. Way off on abortion. % of american women who will have an abortion (regardless of reasons) in their lifetime is around 30% (that's from memory but I'm pretty sure it's close to accurate BUT I have never double checked the math so who knows) So % of Americans is in the 10-15% range.
No way. 30%? How is that possible? Most abortions per capita I think are done by black women, who make up about 7% of the population. So even if half of them have an abortion, it's still only 3.5%.


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Gay gets even harder to quantify. Are we talking gay men? Women? Bisexual women? (cuz there are a TON of those and growing... god bless 'em!) I think the figure is 3-4% that identify as gay.It's completely meaningless to try to quantify gay marriage since many are not ALLOWED. You could try to compare the numbers for the overall population(70% have been married) and extrapolate, but that's hardly going to accurate. (it would give you roughly 2%)
Whats the rate of gay marriage in states where it's legal? .02%? That's quantifiable right there.

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As for the question. Of course they don't want to discuss the economy... BUT just because an issue doesn't affect a large number of people doesn't mean it isn't important.
Understood, but should the most powerful politcal party in American be consumed and obsessed with two issues that don't affect almost everybody else, while ignoring the issues that have greatly and adversley affected everybody else?

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there are a limited number of cases of DGU (defensive gun use) but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned with gun control laws.
Wait a second.

You're not seriously comparing a Constitutional right with nonsense like gay marriage, are you?

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Old 09-09-2012, 01:55 AM   #7
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WOAH. Way off on abortion. % of american women who will have an abortion (regardless of reasons) in their lifetime is around 30% (that's from memory but I'm pretty sure it's close to accurate BUT I have never double checked the math so who knows) So % of Americans is in the 10-15% range.

Gay gets even harder to quantify. Are we talking gay men? Women? Bisexual women? (cuz there are a TON of those and growing... god bless 'em!) I think the figure is 3-4% that identify as gay.It's completely meaningless to try to quantify gay marriage since many are not ALLOWED. You could try to compare the numbers for the overall population(70% have been married) and extrapolate, but that's hardly going to accurate. (it would give you roughly 2%)

As for the question. Of course they don't want to discuss the economy... BUT just because an issue doesn't affect a large number of people doesn't mean it isn't important. there are a limited number of cases of DGU (defensive gun use) but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned with gun control laws.
30% has to be way off, that's friggin crazy.
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:55 AM   #8
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No way. 30%? How is that possible? Most abortions I think are done by black women, who make up about 7% of the population.
Those are the numbers. I know it's surprisingly high. It also doesn't take into account if it was a necessary medical procedure, etc etc... AND as I stated, I have never checked them for accuracy... but I'd bet it's pretty darn close. 10% for sure.

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Wait a second.

You're not seriously comparing a Constitutional right with nonsense like gay marriage, are you?
No, it's not apples to apples.. I'm just stating that an issue doesn't have to have the NUMBERS to be important. The PRINCIPLE is what matters.
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:58 AM   #9
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No, it's not apples to apples.. I'm just stating that an issue doesn't have to have the NUMBERS to be important. The PRINCIPLE is what matters.
Fair enough.
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Old 09-09-2012, 02:04 AM   #10
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30% does seem pretty high.

Anybody know the actual amount of abortions performed every year?
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Old 09-09-2012, 02:05 AM   #11
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30% has to be way off, that's friggin crazy.
The figure is based off of total number of abortions from 1967 to present with total number of women aged 15-40, which doesn't account for multiple abortions per woman.

It doesn't even account for the total number of women who never had sex or at least never got pregnant.

It's a BS number.
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30% has to be way off, that's friggin crazy.
30% of WOMEN. not of the US population.. which of course is approximately HALF.. so reduce it to 15%. But yeah, that figure seems crazy high, but I didn't do the math. That's just what I have seen. I seem to remember it ranging from 28%-40% depending on who is saying it and what the exact scope is.

The current rate of abortions PER YEAR puts the figure at something like 1% of all women EVERY YEAR.. so 30% isn't too outrageous... but it also doesn't seem to quite add up. But again, thats the figure most often cited and I seriously doubt it's that far off.

(I wonder if they are including emergency contraception in that figure? Doubtful.)

ALSO: I can't imagine they are also including miscarriages because the number would be FAR higher in that case.
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30% does seem pretty high.

Anybody know the actual amount of abortions performed every year?
1.2 million now.. used to be much higher.
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The figure is based off of total number of abortions from 1967 to present with total number of women aged 15-40, which doesn't account for multiple abortions per woman.

It doesn't even account for the total number of women who never had sex or at least never got pregnant.

It's a BS number.
I thought about that possibility... and if so, then yes the number is crap because there are a TON of women who have multiple abortions. I just can't imagine EVERYONE is so sloppy on the numbers as to not catch that though.

And actually it would be based on total number since 1973 which is 50 million. and since there are roughly 150 million women.. 30% is only correct if you wrongly assume no multiple abortions(and that all of of those women are still alive)... BUT we also have to consider that the 50 mil figure is LEGAL abortions... we'd have to add in the illegal ones which may offset the multiples. I have no clue. You may also want to consider "morning after" remedies which some would categorize as abortions.. then the figure jumps back up again.

To be safe I am comfortable with 10% which equates to around 20% of all American women in their lifetime. That figure "seems" about right to me. If someone has access to actual data, I'm willing to change that, as right now, its mostly an educated guess.
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1.2 million now.. used to be much higher.
Holy f***. That is truly disgusting.
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