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Old 07-10-2012, 11:32 AM  
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Some good news out of Libya: their election, quite successful.

Minimal fraud, minimal violence, extremely high turnout, and Islamists rake in disappointing results for themselves.

Brilliant work, for a country with little democratic history that hasn't seen a free and fair election in generations.

Applause. If only Egypt could progress this swiftly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/op...rssnyt&emc=rss

Libya’s Election
Editorial
Published: July 9, 2012

Freed from Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s repression, nearly 1.8 million Libyans, about 65 percent of all registered voters, cast ballots Saturday in the country’s first free election in decades. This is a heartening outcome because the election of a national assembly, judged by independent observers to be reasonably free and fair, was not a given.

In the days before the election, former rebels who helped overthrow Qaddafi in 2011 shut down three oil refineries because they felt their eastern region was not allotted enough assembly seats. Tribal clashes broke out over land disputes, and, in some cases, polling places were ransacked or blocked by militias. In the end, more than 3,000 candidates competed for 200 seats. Unofficial results showed that a coalition led by Mahmoud Jibril, the former interim prime minister who helped lead the de facto rebel government in Benghazi, had won the most.

Mr. Jibril is a Western-educated political scientist, and a victory for his bloc — if confirmed — runs counter to the trend of Islamist parties gaining power after Arab Spring uprisings in countries like Egypt and Tunisia. But he has rejected the label of secular or liberal, described himself as an observant Muslim and pledged to make Islamic law a main source of legislation, though not the only one. What will really matter, of course, is how he and his bloc govern.

Democratic transitions are invariably long and messy. The Libyans’ struggle will be that much harder because they have almost no government institutions to build on. The national assembly is supposed to elect a president and appoint a prime minister within 30 days. It then is expected to name a body to write a constitution, present the draft in 120 days and hold a referendum.

Among the thorniest questions to resolve are: how much autonomy over taxation, oil revenues and public services to give to the restive eastern region that contains most of the country’s natural resources; the role of Islamic law in political life; and how to control disparate militias that, if left unchecked, would undermine the national army.

The election is a huge step away from the Qaddafi nightmare. But the grievances of that time — unspeakable cruelties, disenfranchisement and mistrust of government — are still fresh. To get beyond that, it will take enlightened political leaders committed to tolerance, rule of law, accountability and fair representation of all Libyans. On Sunday, Mr. Jibril offered to form a grand coalition with all political forces in Libya — a potentially encouraging sign of inclusiveness.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:57 AM   #2
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Always nice to see a liberal supporting our intervention to assist with regime change.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:58 AM   #3
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Always nice to see a liberal supporting our intervention to assist with regime change.
I'm so down with that. When are we going to set up a puppet regime in Cuba? I want to vacation there without having to worry.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:07 PM   #4
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Always nice to see a liberal supporting our intervention to assist with regime change.
Was this an attempt at asking for my opinion on our intervention in Libya?

Or are you just posting to see your own words.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:10 PM   #5
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Was this an attempt at asking for my opinion on our intervention in Libya?

Or are you just posting to see your own words.
I believe that you are on record as supporting our intervention to achieve regime change in Libya. Is that not correct?
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:13 PM   #6
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I'm so down with that. When are we going to set up a puppet regime in Cuba? I want to vacation there without having to worry.
Bullshit. You don't want to go to Cuba. All you want is easier access to their cigars.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:16 PM   #7
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Bullshit. You don't want to go to Cuba. All you want is easier access to their cigars.
That too though they aren't that hard to come by now but I wouldn't mind getting them cheaper. Then again I probably smoke a cigar 2-3 X a year.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:18 PM   #8
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I believe that you are on record as supporting our intervention to achieve regime change in Libya.
Holy shit, a question about what my personal belief on the issue is, versus a blanket assumption purely intended as a rhetorical jab.

I was opposed to our intervention in Libya. There was a WikiLeaks release that revealed the global intervention was in response to Qaddafi's newfound resistance to doing oil deals with the Western world.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:21 PM   #9
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:21 PM   #10
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I was opposed to our intervention in Libya.
Really?

"Or am I supporting the Arab Spring with as little American involvement as possible?"
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:25 PM   #11
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Really?

"Or am I supporting the Arab Spring with as little American involvement as possible?"
My feelings on the Libya intervention are nuanced, and they have shifted several times. I do support the Arab Spring of course, with as limited American intervention as possible.

The American intervention has birthed a fantastic first election, and saved a massacre that was surely on the way. It cost zero American lives, and will almost certainly open up oil relations with Libya again. See, even now you can see me talking myself back into it.

I'm just not in favor of using American military to support stock owners, and it seems more and more that this was a transparent effort to do just that.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:29 PM   #12
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My feelings on the Libya intervention are nuanced, and they have shifted several times. I do support the Arab Spring of course, with as limited American intervention as possible.

The American intervention has birthed a fantastic first election, and saved a massacre that was surely on the way. It cost zero American lives, and will almost certainly open up oil relations with Libya again. See, even now you can see me talking myself back into it.

I'm just not in favor of using American military to support stock owners, and it seems more and more that this was a transparent effort to do just that.
Yes, I can see how feeling icky about supporting us wasting people could lead you to be nuanced.
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Yes, I can see how feeling icky about supporting us wasting people could lead you to be nuanced.
As it probably should, one would hope.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:34 PM   #14
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...defleckshun pretending to be in tune with Egypt, Libya or the Arabstinians is hilarious.
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As it probably should, one would hope.
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