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Old 09-09-2012, 08:20 AM  
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Obama Gets 4-7 Point Bounce From Convention

Depending on the survey it's pretty clear that Obama has gotten a 4-7 point bounce from his convention. Romney's bounce, which started with the naming of Paul Ryan to the ticket, was anywhere from neglible to 5. The RCP averages before the naming of Ryan were consistent around Obama +4 (getting close to Obama +5 at their peak), so it will be interesting to see how the averages go. So far it's looking like Obama will be back in that territory soon.

The first debate is all that really matters at this point. If something decisive happens Romney can recapture the momentum. Absent that, it's looking like we're on our way to four more years like the last four years, but only now we'll have Obamacare baked in.

Now, on to football...
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:25 PM   #31
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Meh. After the DNC in 1988, Dukakis led Bush by 17 points.

How'd that turn out?
The country was far less divided and far less partisan in 1988 than 2012.

I don't foresee many, if any, R's or D's switching sides because of a debate.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:26 PM   #32
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Meh. After the DNC in 1988, Dukakis led Bush by 17 points.

How'd that turn out?
Yep ! And Carter was up on Reagan in the 80 election 2 weeks prior 6-9pts depending on what poll you were reading and how did that turn out?? One thing we can be pretty well sure of in the last 40yrs to the present is that the Marxist Media and their polls will always be F'N over "We The People" refusing to use 'real numbers' thus avoiding the truth.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:25 PM   #33
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The country was far less divided and far less partisan in 1988 than 2012.

I don't foresee many, if any, R's or D's switching sides because of a debate.
THIS!
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:29 PM   #34
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Ryan has been on the national stage longer than Obama so don't let facts get in your way.
HUH? Running on a national ticket is way different than being in the house. You have a different opinion thats fine. But, its not a "Fact" that my opinion is wrong based on "facts".

And the point is that he has got caught in lies how many times? Maybe he has been lying a lot this whole time and no one bothered to check because he wasnt on a national ticket.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:30 PM   #35
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No, he specifically mentioned these things the day John Roberts, er, the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional. I understand his political reason for saying it then, but not now. He just doesn't seem to be capable of spinning questions into answers that, while evasive, help his cause. Instead of prefacing the answer to reframe the question he writes the headline himself to be "Romney: Obamacare ain't all that bad!"

He's a terrible politician.
Perhaps he should just answer questions honestly. Everyone seems to want a candidate with "values." Why not just be honest about what your values really are and what you think?
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:37 PM   #36
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They all over sample Dems regardless of what you hear because the polls are LIB dominated and especially this election because OMarxist is in big trouble. The whole DNC convention much to my surprise put the 'knee pads' on for their base. That's not a good sign because you should already have them in your back pocket. Romney wasn't torched by OMarxist or really anybody else for that matter which was surprising and not a good sign as to what the 'real polls' say.

Conservatives and Independents hold their cards close to the vest and especially this election because it is true we are not crazy about Romney BUT we will vote because we know we can't afford to stay home THIS TIME and pout like usual when we don't like our candidate because this time IF WE DO, WE LOSE OUR COUNTRY FOR GOOD.

Our civilian political D-Day duty is Nov 6 to save our country. We will WIN because "We The People" will overwhelm the polls on Nov 6th, like our grandparents and great grandparents overwhelmed the beaches of Normandy.
D-Day? Really?
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:47 PM   #37
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like our grandparents and great grandparents overwhelmed the beaches of Normandy.
My Dad was too young, but my oldest uncle was 15 years old and working in a converted plumbing supply factory, making hand grenades for our troops. True story!

Sorry, got diverted there. Now back to your regularly scheduled bickering.
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Old 09-09-2012, 05:13 PM   #38
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HUH? Running on a national ticket is way different than being in the house. You have a different opinion thats fine. But, its not a "Fact" that my opinion is wrong based on "facts".

And the point is that he has got caught in lies how many times? Maybe he has been lying a lot this whole time and no one bothered to check because he wasnt on a national ticket.
You're welcome to your opinion, no matter how partisan and silly it is.

How many lies? I'll give you the marathon one. CBS did a fine job of making it an issue yet today. Check out the fact checker thread.

If lying is a voting issue for you I can't believe you're voting the dem ticket.
Both sides stretch the truth but the dems have absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to lying.
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Old 09-09-2012, 05:46 PM   #39
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You're welcome to your opinion, no matter how partisan and silly it is.

How many lies? I'll give you the marathon one. CBS did a fine job of making it an issue yet today. Check out the fact checker thread.

If lying is a voting issue for you I can't believe you're voting the dem ticket.
Both sides stretch the truth but the dems have absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to lying.
of course both sides lie. Both sides are full of hypocrites.

Still when you get caught lying, expect to be called on that lie. Thats not an opinion or partisan. You lie and get caught, guess what its a big deal in politics...... well for a little while anyway.
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Old 09-09-2012, 07:12 PM   #40
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Objectively, I think if Obama sustains this latest 4 point tracking lead through next weekend he sweeps all of the battleground states.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:23 PM   #41
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:11 PM   #42
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I think being Chairman of the House Budget Committee and being referred to as the intellectual leader of the Republican Party long before he was the VP candidate made Paul Ryan arguably much more well-known than guys like Bill Young.
That has only occurred in the last year or so though.

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Meh. After the DNC in 1988, Dukakis led Bush by 17 points.

How'd that turn out?
True but then again we are in a different media age with a 24x7 news cycle where most people get their news from cable and the Internet not the newspapers and the 5:00 news.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:09 AM   #43
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My Dad was too young, but my oldest uncle was 15 years old and working in a converted plumbing supply factory, making hand grenades for our troops. True story!

Sorry, got diverted there.
No prob !! I dig true stories like this. Thx man !!

Oh btw, to my point. Read below.

Obama Thugs Rough Up Gallup For Polls They Don’t Like
By Dick Morris on September 10, 2012

The Obama Administration’s Justice Department announced, on August 22nd, that it was joining a lawsuit by a former Gallup employee and whistleblower against the Gallup Corporation for allegedly overcharging the government on polling work.

The announcement comes on the heels of a confrontation between Gallup staffers and Obama strategist David Axelrod in which he accused the company of using out of date sampling methods which, he said, generated polling data negative to the president.

The whistleblower’s lawsuit has been kicking around since 2009, but the Justice Department joined the suit only after the run-in between Axelrod and Gallup in April of this year.

In a scene right out of a typical authoritarian regime, Fox News reports that “employees at the venerable Gallup polling firm suggested they felt threatened by Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod when he questioned the methodology of a mid-April poll showing Mitt Romney leading the president – according to internal emails published Thursday.”

That poll that sent Axelrod ballistic showed Romney leading Obama 48-43 percent.
The Daily Caller published e mails that started when Axelrod sent a tweet to Gallup saying the tracking poll was “saddled with some methodological problems” and directing followers to a National Journal story in which a professor suggested outdated sampling.

According to the email chain titled “Axelrod vs. Gallup,” the White House in addition asked that a Gallup staffer “come over and explain our methodology,” which was apparently perceived as a subtle threat.
Fox News reported that “a Gallup official said in an email he thought Axelrod’s pressure ‘sounds a little like a Godfather situation.’”

Gallup refused to change its methodology to suit the White House.
And the Justice Department intervention in the whistleblower suit came three months later. The whistleblower, Michael Lindley, claims that Gallup violated the False Claims Act by overcharging the federal government for its services to the U.S. Mint, the State Department and other federal agencies. The Justice Department plans to add Gallup’s work with FEMA to the list of alleged overcharges covered in the lawsuit.

Lindley charged that Gallup overestimated the number of hours of field work that the government surveys would require and that it billed the feds based on the inflated estimates.

According to the Washington Times, Lindley worked for the Obama campaign in 2008 as an Iowa field organizer based out of Council Bluffs, Iowa.
As the election progresses, this blatant effort to influence Gallup’s data and its poll numbers is an example of Chicago political thugs at their worst.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:24 AM   #44
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No, he specifically mentioned these things the day John Roberts, er, the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional. I understand his political reason for saying it then, but not now. He just doesn't seem to be capable of spinning questions into answers that, while evasive, help his cause. Instead of prefacing the answer to reframe the question he writes the headline himself to be "Romney: Obamacare ain't all that bad!"

He's a terrible politician.

Makes me want to vote for him more, to be honest...

But I'm hardly the average voter. Heck, nobody on DC is.
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:40 AM   #45
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The country was far less divided and far less partisan in 1988 than 2012.

I don't foresee many, if any, R's or D's switching sides because of a debate.
The Dukais collapse had 3 significant gaffes 1) Telling corn, soy bean and wheat farmers to grow belgian endive, 2) that stupid ride in a tank and 3) the indifferent response to a question about rape in the debate.

I do not see Obama saying he likes to fire people, commenting on right height trees, insulting the baker of cookies were given to him as a gift, having a car elevator installed at the White House, betting 10,000.00 in the debate, being insensitive regarding rape, calling for self-deportation of all gun nuts, investing in foreign bank accounts, hanging around with Michael Milken, starting a war with Russia, not caring about poor people, or walking so awkwardly he looks like robot.
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