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Old 09-10-2012, 08:23 AM  
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Chicago Bled Dry by Striking Teachers’ Unions

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The smartest parents in Chicago right now are those whose kids attend charter schools, private schools, or parochial schools. Those institutions don’t employ Chicago’s unionized public-school teachers, who went out on strike this morning for the first time in 25 years.

The coverage of the strike has obscured some basic facts. The money has continued to pour into Chicago’s failing public schools in recent years. Chicago teachers have the highest average salary of any city at $76,000 a year before benefits. The average family in the city only earns $47,000 a year. Yet the teachers rejected a 16 percent salary increase over four years at a time when most families are not getting any raises or are looking for work.

The city is being bled dry by the exorbitant benefits packages negotiated by previous elected officials. Teachers pay only 3 percent of their health-care costs and out of every new dollar set aside for public education in Illinois in the last five years, a full 71 cents has gone to teacher retirement costs.

But beyond the dollars, the fact is that Chicago schools need a fundamental shakeup — which of course the union is resisting. It is calling for changes in the teacher-evaluation system it just negotiated by making student performance less important.

Small wonder. Just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading and only 56 percent of students who enter their freshman year of high school wind up graduating.

The showdown in Chicago will be a test of just how much clout the public-employee unions wield at a time when the budget pressures they’ve created threaten to break the budgets of America’s major cities.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:34 PM   #46
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The reason why they probably have to pay Chicago teachers so much is because no teacher would want to teach there otherwise. If you're going to pay the same rate for a teacher to teach at an inner city Chicago school as you would for a nice new suburban school, where do you think the best teachers are going to go? What would motivate you to teach in Chicago other than more money?
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:15 PM   #47
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The reason why they probably have to pay Chicago teachers so much is because no teacher would want to teach there otherwise. If you're going to pay the same rate for a teacher to teach at an inner city Chicago school as you would for a nice new suburban school, where do you think the best teachers are going to go? What would motivate you to teach in Chicago other than more money?
Your posts aren't so bad when they aren't a lame, one-sentenced sarcastic reply.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:19 PM   #48
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Your posts aren't so bad when they aren't a lame, one-sentenced sarcastic reply.
You're a douche.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:22 PM   #49
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I like this idea we cannot measure a teacher based on the the results the teacher produces. Pure Tee Bullshit.

We cant get rid of bad teachers period. Why? Cause the contract says so. Whats up with that? In any job, you need to have the ability to fire those who cannot and do not perform. Period.
How do you believe we should measure performance?
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:32 PM   #50
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You're a douche.
You'll get over it.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:07 PM   #51
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Who thinks that standardized tests are important evaluating factors for teaching evaluations? I have some questions.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:27 AM   #52
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Who thinks that standardized tests are important evaluating factors for teaching evaluations? I have some questions.
That is an incredibly broad statement.

Here is problem #1.. the media have taken the term "standardized test" and demonized it. It's ****ing pathetic. Standardized tests are FINE. It's like demonizing a scalpel. I can use it to save a life or I can use it to kill someone. It's just a tool.

ALSO, what are the alternatives? non-standardized tests? No tests?

Let's look at various subjects and see if the BS "teaching to the test".. I hate "standardized tests" argument holds any water.

How about MATH?

Can we all agree that the most effective way to find out a child's skill level at MATH is a standardized test?

This is a gimme... if you disagree here you're gonna need to offer some serious explanation...

Also, please explain how (assuming the test itself is completely UNKNOWN to both teacher and student ahead of time) "teaching to the test" would occur and be a negative.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:38 AM   #53
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I just want to know how we factor in standardized tests for teachers who teach students who don't care and don't try on the test.

Also, I think teaching to the test, which occurs by drills having students basically learn the method of standardized test taking, would increase, which distracts from traditional teaching methods.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:44 AM   #54
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I just want to know how we factor in standardized tests for teachers who teach students who don't care and don't try on the test.
Ah, well this is tough for me to argue because I think the entire system needs to be overhauled from the ground up.

BUT let's try to work with what we have.

Let's keep it super simple and stick with MATH... you test everyone at the beginning of the year and at various points throughout and grade teachers on the progress. BUT you have to do two things. #1 tie the scores to tangible incentives for the students and #2 give the teachers enough authority and autonomy to weed out the lowest common denominator students and teach however they see fit. I don't care about methods, just results.

For you bleeding heart hippies... YES, I honestly would let those "problem" kids fail and die in a gutter LONG before I would let their actions drag down ONE SINGLE student who gives half a shit about learning.

Send those kids to some sort of Vo Tech classes where they can be useless in relative isolation for all I care.

So basically, the tests are used to establish a baseline of knowledge/skills and the teacher is graded on how well the students improve. As long as the tests are not rigged and the content is COMPLETELY unknown to the teacher, I don't any problems with this for a subject like MATH. It gets far stickier for other subjects.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:50 AM   #55
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What kind of tangible incentive are we talking here?
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:53 AM   #56
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What kind of tangible incentive are we talking here?
Whatever is shown to work. That's going to be different for different areas.. hell maybe even different for different students. That's easy to do IF the schools aren't mired down in monolithic red tape and are given a great deal of autonomy. Some schools are PAYING the students... I think that is weird but hey, whatever works. I am all for letting each school(or teacher) figure out what works best for them.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:57 AM   #57
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BTW.. I am fine with getting rid of testing as an evaluator if you allow teachers to be fired AT WILL. There are plenty of schools in VERY BAD areas that have found their own solutions and one thing that seems to be a common factor is that they hold teachers to high standards and fire them the minute they aren't living up to those standards.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:03 AM   #58
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So we have 20 students take this test. 16 of them don't care. We offer them an incentive to care. We tell the students, "Pick out any Apple product you want under $200. If you improve your test score by X percent, you will get that thing."

And then we tell teacher, "Go about your classes, but your end result is that you will get judged significantly by your students' improvement on the tests. We will examine their improvement in test results, and you will be evaluated accordingly and based on state and national average improvements."

And then we sit back and watch this magic happen.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:15 AM   #59
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So we have 20 students take this test. 16 of them don't care. We offer them an incentive to care. We tell the students, "Pick out any Apple product you want under $200. If you improve your test score by X percent, you will get that thing."

And then we tell teacher, "Go about your classes, but your end result is that you will get judged significantly by your students' improvement on the tests. We will examine their improvement in test results, and you will be evaluated accordingly and based on state and national average improvements."

And then we sit back and watch this magic happen.
Actually no. You don't offer a single incentive (or maybe you do,if that works, but I doubt it does).. and you certainly don't offer them a product(Apple) that will dumb them down even further! Geez! If you set a single incentive to the student.. they'll just tank the first test on purpose... so you have to have more of a rolling incentive plan. Things like access to certain facilities, sports, etc etc... again, I have no clue. That is not the hard part. Plenty of schools have figured out what works for them.

The rest of what you said is correct. They would be judged on improvement... BUT I don't see any reason to tie it to state or national averages. The rate of improvement would need to be judged locally and other factors would need to be considered.

Again, this all works for subjects like MATH or READING. With many other subjects, we'll need to have a more nuanced solution.
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Flashback: 39% Of Chicago Teachers Send Their Kids To Private Schools

Good enough for thee but not for me, when it comes to the educational decisions made by Chicago public school teachers for their own children. From a study a few years ago:

Nationwide, public school teachers are almost twice as likely as other parents to choose private schools for their own children, the study by the Thomas B. Fordham Institute found. More than 1 in 5 public school teachers said their children attend private schools.

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In Philadelphia, 44 percent of the teachers put their children in private schools; in Cincinnati, 41 percent; Chicago, 39 percent; Rochester, N.Y., 38 percent.

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Michael Pons, spokesman for the National Education Association, the 2.7-million-member public school union, declined a request for comment on the study’s findings. The American Federation of Teachers also declined to comment. [Bold my emphasis]

Meanwhile, these educators claim to be "all about the kids" while making these children decide whether to cross an intimidating picket line or stay home.

... outside the school, dozens of teachers held their picket signs, chanted, and formed picket lines — as a handful of students and their parents tried to make their way into the building.

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Parents were faced with the choice of crossing the picket line to drop off their kids, or turn around to find something else to do with their children.

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Parent Ola Esho said he felt his son and his 1-year-old daughter felt a bit intimidated having to pass through the crowd of protesting teachers to get to the half-day program at Ray Elementary.

“I think it was a little bit unnerving for both of them, yeah. I wasn’t happy about that,” Esho said.

But it's about the kids -- or at least, that's what they say.


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