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Florida's voter purge to locate voter purge...

...has resulted in a single prosecution.

A Canadian.

Totally justified, putting an extra barrier on nearly 200,000 Floridians, most of them Hispanic, on a 30-days-or-purged list.

If this doesn't validate every single thing I've said about the GOP's efforts at voter repression disguised at fighting the non-existent problem of voter fraud, nothing does.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4531032/

Canadian the only illegal alien caught in U.S. fake-voter dragnet
PAUL KORING
Published Monday, Sep. 10 2012, 4:00 AM EDT

For months, Florida Republicans have been trying to clamp down on illegal aliens improperly included on on voting lists.

It’s part of a massive – and politically controversial – Republican effort to impose tough voter-identification measures. Democrats regard them as thinly disguised efforts to disproportionately disenfranchise the poor, African-Americans and Hispanics. Other Republican-controlled states are conducting similar culls.

But after months of searching, only one alien falsely claiming to be a U.S. citizen has been caught, charged and convicted in Florida. It turns out he is a Canadian, a man who registered and voted in at least two presidential elections while masquerading as a citizen so he could also buy and “bear arms,” that other right cherished by many Americans.

Josef Sever, 52, won’t be voting in Florida this November, though. He pleaded guilty on Aug. 30 in federal court in Miami to multiple felony charges of falsely attesting to be a U.S. citizen and illegally voting. Three days after the Nov. 6 election, when Americans will choose between giving Barack Obama a second term or sending Republican challenger Mitt Romney to the White House, Mr. Sever will be sentenced.

He faces up to five years in prison before his long-running scam passing as a U.S. citizen ends with deportation back to Canada.

Republicans insist there’s nothing partisan about the dragnet.

“The right to vote is a sacred right,” Florida’s Republican Governor Rick Scott said in June, in defending the state’s sweeping investigation of voter lists. “We gotta make sure a U.S. citizen’s right to vote is not diluted.”

That the effort has only netted Mr. Sever so far has led to some considerable lampooning of Mr. Scott by liberal commentators. Under pressure from the governor, the state’s electoral officials had initially flagged more than 180,000 names (many of them Hispanic-sounding) for checking. All but 2,600 of those initially flagged – some of whom turned out to be not only citizens, but military veterans with service in Afghanistan and Iraq – were quickly determined to be bonafide citizens and restored to the voter rolls.

After further investigation, only one name – Mr. Sever’s – was sent to law-enforcement authorities last spring. Six other “suspect” cases, in a state with more than 10 million names on the voters’ list, are still being investigated.

Mr. Sever – who is white, of Austrian ancestry and became a Canadian citizen in 1979 – hardly fit the profile of Democrat-leaning Hispanic alien.

Stefan Kamph, a commentator for New Times Broward-Palm Beach, finds the irony delicious.

“Instead of seeing him as a criminal, the [Republican Party] should move to have Sever pardoned and hold him up on a pedestal,” he wrote. “After all, he abandoned the universal health care and tasty maple syrup of the Commie-nadian provinces to move to Florida, buy guns, and participate in the glory of our God-given democracy.”

“Unless,” Mr. Kamph added, “he voted for Obama. Then boot his ass back over the border.”

No one, save Mr. Sever, knows how he voted. But he did admit as part of the facts agreed in his guilty plea that he voted in presidential elections in both 2004 and 2008. He had registered to vote with “no party affiliation,” according to court documents.

When first tracked down and interviewed by Department of Homeland Security investigators last spring, Mr. Sever admitted to lying about being a U.S. citizen both to vote and – four times – to buy firearms and obtain a “concealed carry” permit which allows him to carry a hidden weapon.

Last week, “Sever admitted that he was born in Austria, is a naturalized citizen of Canada, and has never been a U.S. citizen,” according to court documents. Whether his plea included a bargain for sentencing is unknown. His lawyer, Daniel Ecarius, a public defender provided by the state, declined comment.

Falsely claiming to be a U.S. citizen carries a five-year maximum sentence on the firearm infractions and a one-year sentence on the voting felonies.

U.S. Federal District Court Judge Ursula Ungaro set a sentencing date of Nov. 9. Judge Ungaro, an appointee of former president George W. Bush, is perhaps best known for a decision in which she ruled unconstitutional Mr. Scott’s plan to test all state employees for illegal drug use.

In Mr. Sever’s case, she set bail at $50,000 (U.S.). But the Canadian, described in court as unemployed, has so far failed to find the required bond.

Mr. Sever apparently has been in Florida for some time. “Public records indicate that he has lived in South Florida since at least 2004,” said Michelle Alvarez, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Justice in Florida.

Other Florida company name registration records suggest someone with the same name and a signature matching Mr. Sever’s date back to 1998.

As a Canadian, he has an inalienable right, under Canada’s Constitution, to return to Canada. It seems likely he will spend more time – perhaps several more years – in a Florida prison first.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:40 PM   #16
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It's a problem in America about the same way cannibalism is a problem in America.
If the Republicans are truly being honest about trying to curb voter fraud, their level of effort compared to the actual problem is akin to killing a mosquito with a tactical nuke.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:26 AM   #17
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If the Republicans are truly being honest about trying to curb voter fraud, their level of effort compared to the actual problem is akin to killing a mosquito with a tactical nuke.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:35 AM   #18
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If the Republicans are truly being honest about trying to curb voter fraud, their level of effort compared to the actual problem is akin to killing a mosquito with a tactical nuke.
You are okay with just a little voter fraud?
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It's a problem in America about the same way cannibalism is a problem in America.
And you're okay with a little cannibalism just like you're okay with a little voter fraud?

It's pretty simple: it's isn't non-existent. When you state that it is, you just look like an idiot.
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You are okay with just a little voter fraud?
As expected, the point flew well over your head. If you look at the amount of effort the "Republicans" are putting forth, you would think hundreds of thousands of people are committing voter fraud. The evidence shows otherwise.

They are using voter fraud as a weak cover up to suppress voter turnout in districts that are going to hurt them in the election. Look at Ohio, where they have lots of early voting hours for the districts filled with Whitey McWhitertons but are cutting early voting in districts with higher minority populations.
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As expected, the point flew well over your head. If you look at the amount of effort the "Republicans" are putting forth, you would think hundreds of thousands of people are committing voter fraud. The evidence shows otherwise.

They are using voter fraud as a weak cover up to suppress voter turnout in districts that are going to hurt them in the election. Look at Ohio, where they have lots of early voting hours for the districts filled with Whitey McWhitertons but are cutting early voting in districts with higher minority populations.
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As expected, the point flew well over your head. If you look at the amount of effort the "Republicans" are putting forth, you would think hundreds of thousands of people are committing voter fraud. The evidence shows otherwise.
You think that's amazing? Consider all the effort democrats are putting in to preserving that allegedly small amount of voter fraud.
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As expected, the point flew well over your head. If you look at the amount of effort the "Republicans" are putting forth, you would think hundreds of thousands of people are committing voter fraud. The evidence shows otherwise.

They are using voter fraud as a weak cover up to suppress voter turnout in districts that are going to hurt them in the election. Look at Ohio, where they have lots of early voting hours for the districts filled with Whitey McWhitertons but are cutting early voting in districts with higher minority populations.
As expected, you offer your racist opinion and pass it off as fact. The laws are the laws and they are being enforced. Cry all you want, I'm pleased with the efforts and would support even stricter measures.
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As expected, you offer your racist opinion and pass it off as fact. The laws are the laws and they are being enforced. Cry all you want, I'm pleased with the efforts and would support even stricter measures.
What he said was actually true in regards to Ohio until the courts stepped in and made them stop.

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Extended hours on nights and weekends that made it easier for nearly 9,000 voters to cast early ballots in the 2008 presidential race at the Hamilton County Board of Elections may not be repeated this year because of Republican opposition.

Across Ohio, that is part of a developing pattern in which extra pre-election voting hours may be denied to voters in large urban counties – most of which traditionally vote Democratic – even as extended hours will be available in some smaller counties with a strong Republican slant.
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And you're okay with a little cannibalism just like you're okay with a little voter fraud?
I'm not okay with either, but our current laws and enforcement eliminate the chances of both happening to somewhere around zero.
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And you're okay with a little cannibalism just like you're okay with a little voter fraud?

It's pretty simple: it's isn't non-existent. When you state that it is, you just look like an idiot.
The treatment should not cause more problems than the disease. That's the issue.
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As expected, you offer your racist opinion and pass it off as fact. The laws are the laws and they are being enforced. Cry all you want, I'm pleased with the efforts and would support even stricter measures.
Racist? That's funny.

You should research poll taxes and how they apply to these stricter measures.
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I'm not okay with either, but our current laws and enforcement eliminate the chances of both happening to somewhere around zero.
I see you aren't using non-existent now. Good.

Now, how about this?


Election officials in most counties simply stopped moving to enforce the purge, saying they didn’t trust the state government’s list. (Two counties in southwest Florida have continued with the effort.) Over 500 of the 2,700 had been identified as citizens; 40 had been identified as non-citizens.

“Out of 11 or 12 million voters, that’s a very small number,” said Ron Labasky, an attorney for the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections. “They shouldn’t be on there, but it’s very, very limited,” at least at this point.


So, they've already identified 40 non-citizens. Remind me, how many votes did Bush win Florida by in 2008?
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I see you aren't using non-existent now. Good.

Now, how about this?

Election officials in most counties simply stopped moving to enforce the purge, saying they didn’t trust the state government’s list. (Two counties in southwest Florida have continued with the effort.) Over 500 of the 2,700 had been identified as citizens; 40 had been identified as non-citizens.

“Out of 11 or 12 million voters, that’s a very small number,” said Ron Labasky, an attorney for the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections. “They shouldn’t be on there, but it’s very, very limited,” at least at this point.


So, they've already identified 40 non-citizens. Remind me, how many votes did Bush win Florida by in 2008?
I don't know because the Supreme Court stopped the recounting. It's a dumb question anyway, because an elected official could conceivably win a vote by 1. I'm pretty sure McCain won Missouri by a hair in 2008.

If we're talking a fraction of a fraction of a percent, that's going to happen. I feel comfortable knowing that 99.999% of the votes being counted are not fraudulent, and that one of those drop-in-the-bucket fraudulent votes is going to actually impact an election 0.0000000000000001% of the time, if that often.

Now, you may not, but that's your insanity.

But you've admitted you're in this for the partisan benefit. And so has the GOP.
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