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Old 09-11-2012, 01:39 PM  
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W didn't care about Osama

W has admitted he didn't care much about Osama. I guess he wasn't joking.

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Documents Disclose 9/11 Warnings
By Matt Vasilogambros | National Journal – 5 hrs ago

Documents show the U.S. was given more warnings about potential terrorist attacks in the weeks leading up to 9/11, writes Vanity Fair contributing editor Kurt Eichenwald in a New York Times op-ed.

The documents predate the presidential daily briefing on Aug. 6, 2001, which said, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”

“The administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed,” he wrote. “In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.”

The direct warnings to Bush, he writes, date back to the spring of 2001. On May 1, the CIA told the White House that there was “a group presently in the United States” that was planning an attack. On June 22, a daily briefing described the attack as "imminent." Administration officials, however, dismissed the warnings, saying that Osama bin Laden was merely feigning an attack to distract the U.S. from efforts against Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

“Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day,” Eichenwald wrote. “In response, the CIA prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.”

Briefings on June 29, July 1, and July 24 carried similar warnings. On July 9, Eichenwald writes, one official suggested staff members of the CIA Counterterrorism Center “put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place.”

“[The Bush administration] got this information and they weren't looking at it in the context of here's this huge threat that's developed,” Eichenwald said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “Look at what the Pentagon said, ‘What's the nation state that's backing them? Oh, we think it's Iraq.’ And so, it was a frame of mind that was not unreasonable for them to have because they hadn't been getting the intelligence until very recently about the evolution and change of al-Qaida.”

Eichenwald, however, was criticized by former New York Gov. George Pataki, a Republican, for writing the piece.

“I think this is incredibly unfortunate,” he said on Morning Joe, adding that, "I think is incredibly unfair and a disservice to history.”

Eichenwald wrote a book, “500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars,” describing the intelligence briefings and actions taken by the Bush administration before and after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

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Old 09-12-2012, 11:05 AM   #76
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Right now Hussein should be on the phone asking Bush for advice.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:07 AM   #77
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Right now Hussein should be on the phone asking Bush for advice.
In order to do the opposite?
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:13 AM   #78
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I can't help if some people don't know how to read.
Actually you can help that by adding some substance to your posts. I won’t hold my breath for it to happen though.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:15 AM   #79
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In order to do the opposite?
No, that already got two embassies overrun.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #80
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Actually you can help that by adding some substance to your posts. I won’t hold my breath for it to happen though.
The substance was in the article, which speaks for itself. The substance was when I said he could have checked it out, he could have followed up, when asked what W was to do with the info.

Or do you mean substance like "fixing my post" so it says I don't know what I'm talking about? That's some real substance you added there.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:23 AM   #81
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No, that already got two embassies overrun.
How many times did this happen under W, you ****ing moron? You are a clueless idiot.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:26 AM   #82
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The substance was in the article, which speaks for itself. The substance was when I said he could have checked it out, he could have followed up, when asked what W was to do with the info.
Your “article” is a hatchet job with an agenda.
Substance would be proving he didn’t do those things. What you posted is vague assumptions, which is pretty much your entire shtick.

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Or do you mean substance like "fixing my post" so it says I don't know what I'm talking about? That's some real substance you added there.
You’re getting back what you give. That appears to bother you.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:40 AM   #83
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How many times did this happen under W, you ****ing moron? You are a clueless idiot.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:04 PM   #84
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The substance was in the article, which speaks for itself. The substance was when I said he could have checked it out, he could have followed up, when asked what W was to do with the info.

Or do you mean substance like "fixing my post" so it says I don't know what I'm talking about? That's some real substance you added there.
The question was actually what could he have done to prevent 9/11. Merely following up wouldn't have done anything to stop the attacks. In fact, there's no reason to believe that following up would have generated any additional information. "Follow up on this" and "check this out" are both just hollow non-answers because the truth is that there was nothing he could have reasonably been expected to do with those warnings except to continue monitoring the situation until something more specific was known, which is what he did.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:11 PM   #85
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Which is exactly what Clinton did but you’re not here crying about that.
I'm also not excusing Clinton from responsibility.

Republicans in this thread are excusing Bush, despite it happening on his watch.

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Please spare us the second-guessing. As Pat mentioned, hindsight is always 20-20.

If the Bush administration had attempted to implement airport security measures aggressive enough to stop the 9/11 terrorists, you and other liberals would have been screaming from the mountaintops about how they were violating your civil rights and implementing a police state. 9/11 could just have easily happened on Clinton's watch or anybody else's. To claim otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
The problem was the Bush administration's total indifference to the memo.
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I'm also not excusing Clinton from responsibility.

Republicans in this thread are excusing Bush, despite it happening on his watch.



The problem was the Bush administration's total indifference to the memo.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:32 PM   #87
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The question was actually what could he have done to prevent 9/11. Merely following up wouldn't have done anything to stop the attacks. In fact, there's no reason to believe that following up would have generated any additional information. "Follow up on this" and "check this out" are both just hollow non-answers because the truth is that there was nothing he could have reasonably been expected to do with those warnings except to continue monitoring the situation until something more specific was known, which is what he did.
Don't know if it would have, don't know if it wouldn't. I don't know how you are so sure. But I do know that doing nothing is guaranteed not to change anything. Doing something might.
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I'm also not excusing Clinton from responsibility.

Republicans in this thread are excusing Bush, despite it happening on his watch.
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So the '81-82 recession, which started 6 months into the Reagan administration, was Carter's fault? Or the 2001 recession, which begin under W's watch. Might as well blame Clinton for 9/11 while you're at it.
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Republicans actually do do that.
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You mean the offer of bin Laden which Clinton didn't take?
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Don't know if it would have, don't know if it wouldn't. I don't know how you are so sure. But I do know that doing nothing is guaranteed not to change anything. Doing something might.
He could have ordered a pizza too. Maybe that would have changed things. This criticism is silly.
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Wait...let me get this straight....

Bush should have listened harder and taken action based on intelligence pre-9/11...

but....a couple of years later...

He shouldn't have listened to them about the Iraq WMD thing?
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