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Old 09-11-2012, 02:11 PM  
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Protesters storm U.S. Embassy in Cairo

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

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Cairo (CNN) -- Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and hauled down the American flag, replacing it with a black standard with Islamic emblems, apparently in protest of the production of a film thought to insult the Prophet Mohammed.

The incident prompted a volley of warning shots to be fired as a large crowd gathered outside, said CNN producer Mohammed Fahmy, who was on the scene.

The replacement flag read, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger."

Others expressed more general grievances about U.S. policy, chanting anti-American slogans and holding up bits of a shredded American flag to television camera crews in front of the embassy.

An embassy operator told CNN that the facility had been cleared of diplomatic personnel earlier Tuesday, ahead of the apparent threat, while Egyptian riot police were called to help secure the area.

The U.S. Embassy said in a statement Tuesday that it "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."

"Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy," the statement said. "We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."

The incident occurred on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, as crowds gathered in somber remembrance of the nearly 3,000 people killed that day.

It is not clear which film upset the protesters in Cairo.

In 2008, an anti-Muslim and anti-immigration parliamentarian from The Netherlands sparked international outcry when he produced a film that portrayed Islam as a violent religion.

Geert Wilders' film "Fitna," which he released online, featured images of terrorist acts superimposed over verses from the Quran.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:40 PM   #196
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Do you not understand that the embassy statement (the so-called apology or sympathizing with the attackers) was done BEFORE the attacks? BEFORE.
Do you ****ING REALIZE IT DOESN'T MATTER? The statement was wrong. Period. it should never have been said for ANY ****ING REASON at ANY ****ING TIME.

Obama himself has pretty much said as much. Why is it wrong for Romney to say the same thing?

The PROBLEM with Romney's statement is that it appears to place blame on Obama when it should instead be limited to a complaint about the statement itself and the person DIRECTLY responsible for issuing it.

I have no problem with Romney's statements so far but I will take issue if he makes statements about how we should respond to things and what we do now, without giving everyone time to get the facts straight and gather intel. As I stated earlier, it's time now for him to be reserved on this.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:43 PM   #197
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That makes it worse you jobless tool

now we apology just in case
First, it was not an apology, lets get that out of the way. It might LOOK like an apology after the attack, but not before. By the way, Romney's campaign said this:

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Governor Romney rejects the reported message of the movie. There is no room for religious hatred or intolerance.
Second, it was put out by embassy staffers nervous about a riot and fearing for their own lives. Romney took advantage of their attempt to prevent a riot to falsely claim an apology after an attack.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:46 PM   #198
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I have no problem with Romney's statements so far but I will take issue if he makes statements about how we should respond to things and what we do now, without giving everyone time to get the facts straight and gather intel. As I stated earlier, it's time now for him to be reserved on this.
It is too late he has already blew his wad
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:47 PM   #199
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First, it was not an apology, lets get that out of the way. It might LOOK like an apology after the attack, but not before. By the way, Romney's campaign said this:



Second, it was put out by embassy staffers nervous about a riot and fearing for their own lives. Romney took advantage of their attempt to prevent a riot to falsely claim an apology after an attack.
So its not an apology. & Mitt ****ed up. Got ya
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:51 PM   #200
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So its not an apology. & Mitt ****ed up. Got ya
"I cant think of a good response, and my guy is being condemned even by his own party. Hmmm... I'll just chuckle"
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:02 PM   #202
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Second, it was put out by embassy staffers nervous about a riot and fearing for their own lives. Romney took advantage of their attempt to prevent a riot to falsely claim an apology after an attack.
The statement should NEVER have been made. Under ANY circumstances. End of story. There is NO POSSIBLE defense for that statement being put out by a representative of the US government. (given the context)
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:06 PM   #203
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:08 PM   #204
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It is too late he has already blew his wad
See, it's crap like this that is infuriating. YOU are being worse than what you are claiming of Romney. If you want to complain that Romney shouldn't attack the President but instead attack the statement or the person who directly issued it... then fine. I can see that. otherwise, there is nothing wrong with Romney's statement from last night. If he starts to spout off BEYOND just a complaint about the statement or general complaints about Obama's middle east policy.. THEN you will have a legit complaint. Until then, you and the others are blatantly politicizing what SHOULD be the normal response from EVERY American. Which is, outrage over a statement that is indefensible.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:19 PM   #205
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See, it's crap like this that is infuriating. YOU are being worse than what you are claiming of Romney. If you want to complain that Romney shouldn't attack the President but instead attack the statement or the person who directly issued it... then fine. I can see that. otherwise, there is nothing wrong with Romney's statement from last night. If he starts to spout off BEYOND just a complaint about the statement or general complaints about Obama's middle east policy.. THEN you will have a legit complaint. Until then, you and the others are blatantly politicizing what SHOULD be the normal response from EVERY American. Which is, outrage over a statement that is indefensible.
So, what was the correct statement under those circumstances (to defuse a protest), Kyle.

a) First Amendment, f yeah.

b) We'll burn as many Korans as we want.

c) 'Merika - we stand behind our fringe religious nutbags.

d) Come at me bro?
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:20 PM   #206
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See, it's crap like this that is infuriating. YOU are being worse than what you are claiming of Romney. If you want to complain that Romney shouldn't attack the President but instead attack the statement or the person who directly issued it... then fine. I can see that. otherwise, there is nothing wrong with Romney's statement from last night. If he starts to spout off BEYOND just a complaint about the statement or general complaints about Obama's middle east policy.. THEN you will have a legit complaint. Until then, you and the others are blatantly politicizing what SHOULD be the normal response from EVERY American. Which is, outrage over a statement that is indefensible.
I was responding to your quote that he should be reserved now. Well he should have been reserved from the beginning. Other Republicans including Peggy Noonan have stated the same thing.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:30 PM   #207
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You think they just randomly wrote that?
They clearly wrote it as an attempt to quell violence against the embassy.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:30 PM   #208
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Nope, it came out before everything.

The diplomats in Egypt were getting nervous about a potential riot, and basically fearing for their own lives, they tweeted something out trying to condemn the movie and satisfy the restless natives.

Romney completely, utterly F'd this one up, which OK fine he could backtrack and say "oops, I didn't have all the facts", but now he's doubling down on stupid.
Yup.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:34 PM   #209
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Do you ****ING REALIZE IT DOESN'T MATTER? The statement was wrong. Period. it should never have been said for ANY ****ING REASON at ANY ****ING TIME.

Obama himself has pretty much said as much. Why is it wrong for Romney to say the same thing?
I think they're both stupid for criticizing it. It's not controversial, and it's standard procedure when embassies feel native populations' tensions rising.

Romney's wrong when he says Obama said it. That's the first major sin of this whole stupid thing.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:35 PM   #210
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So, what was the correct statement under those circumstances (to defuse a protest), Kyle.

a) First Amendment, f yeah.

b) We'll burn as many Korans as we want.

c) 'Merika - we stand behind our fringe religious nutbags.

d) Come at me bro?
a) and d) with a slightly changed c) to read "'Merika - we stand behind the 1st Amendment for ALL religious crazies"

There is no obligation to defuse a protest from a bunch of loons. **** them.

In reality, the correct response was NOTHING. It's the best way to deal with children who throw tantrums.
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