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Old 09-11-2012, 01:11 PM  
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Protesters storm U.S. Embassy in Cairo

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

I suppose it's a good thing that "it doesn't have to be a good thing for us"....

Cairo (CNN) -- Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and hauled down the American flag, replacing it with a black standard with Islamic emblems, apparently in protest of the production of a film thought to insult the Prophet Mohammed.

The incident prompted a volley of warning shots to be fired as a large crowd gathered outside, said CNN producer Mohammed Fahmy, who was on the scene.

The replacement flag read, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger."

Others expressed more general grievances about U.S. policy, chanting anti-American slogans and holding up bits of a shredded American flag to television camera crews in front of the embassy.

An embassy operator told CNN that the facility had been cleared of diplomatic personnel earlier Tuesday, ahead of the apparent threat, while Egyptian riot police were called to help secure the area.

The U.S. Embassy said in a statement Tuesday that it "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."

"Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy," the statement said. "We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."

The incident occurred on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, as crowds gathered in somber remembrance of the nearly 3,000 people killed that day.

It is not clear which film upset the protesters in Cairo.

In 2008, an anti-Muslim and anti-immigration parliamentarian from The Netherlands sparked international outcry when he produced a film that portrayed Islam as a violent religion.

Geert Wilders' film "Fitna," which he released online, featured images of terrorist acts superimposed over verses from the Quran.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:31 PM   #256
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While I don't agree with the racism nor do I want to see genocide... wanna make a bet? If it was JUST the USA vs the entire Muslim world without any intervention from anyone else?
Do we really want to fight that war? Just fighting a war with Iran will bring the war to the USA.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:43 PM   #257
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Do we really want to fight that war? Just fighting a war with Iran will bring the war to the USA.
God no. I was just being an ass and pointing out that the logistics aren't as daunting as say fighting any country with a functional modern military. We'd be looking at Iran and Turkey as the only serious threats. You could let Israel take out the rest by themselves.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:47 PM   #258
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From a strictly logisitcal standpoint we cant fight a billion subhuman apes at the same time. Just saying Mr. racist.
You simply have no principles if you want to limit free speech to avoid repercussions from simple-minded religious fanatics. I'm no racist, either, idiot.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:48 PM   #259
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Sorry dude my aplogies. I copied and pasted from another thread. The original response was to ringleader. My bad.
No problem, haven't spent any real time in that thread and didn't realize it was a cut and paste.

To be clear, I don't blame Obama for something issued by a local embassy. I'm just pissed at the statement and want it to be made clear that it was not appropriate. And Obama has seemingly done exactly that.

I will say, Romney was perfectly right to issue his initial statement yesterday. (even though he pointed to the entire administration instead of confining his complaint to the statement itself) the White House should have let it slide, instead they attacked back and he felt the need to respond in kind again today. That second reiteration by Romney should have never occurred... instead HE should have let it slide at that point. Bad form all around.

I WILL have a serious problem if Romney does anything more than attack the statement and attack the overall policies. You don't try to second guess the response actions that will be taken until enough information is available and I can't possibly imagine it will be by the time of the election.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:50 PM   #260
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God no. I was just being an ass and pointing out that the logistics aren't as daunting as say fighting any country with a functional modern military. We'd be looking at Iran and Turkey as the only serious threats. You could let Israel take out the rest by themselves.
The problem is that it will be fought here. Suicide bombers at malls, poisioning our water supply, ied's on transformer power stations and highways. etc.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:53 PM   #261
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The problem is that it will be fought here. Suicide bombers at malls, poisioning our water supply, ied's on transformer power stations and highways. etc.
As if they aren't already planning this all the time.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:54 PM   #262
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You don't try to second guess the response actions that will be taken until enough information is available and I can't possibly imagine it will be by the time of the election.
Dont bet too much on that
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:54 PM   #263
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The problem is that it will be fought here. Suicide bombers at malls, poisioning our water supply, ied's on transformer power stations and highways. etc.
IUDS!!! And I bet Sandra Fluke is going to make US pay for them!!!

To be somewhat serious.. of course it isn't a fight you want, I was just saying it isn't a fight we couldn't take on. I also don't think it'd be NEARLY as much "on our soil" as many would think. We had similar fears in WWII and ended up interring a bunch of people for no good reason (except in Hawaii where we had legit reasons).
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:56 PM   #264
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Dont bet too much on that
I'm not, I'm just going on record that it will bother me.

Just like it bothered me with past presidents.. including Bush and especially the second guessing of Clinton.

I have said this many times.. the intelligence community can NOT catch everything. That doesn't mean you don't try or that there isn't room for improvement but expecting 100% success is ludicrous.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:58 PM   #265
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While I don't agree with the racism nor do I want to see genocide... wanna make a bet? If it was JUST the USA vs the entire Muslim world without any intervention from anyone else?
We'd get our ass kicked. You're talking about taking on about 50 countries at once, including all three of the traditional major powers of the middle east - Turkey, Iran, and Egypt - but also Saudi Arabia with all of its oil, Indonesia and Malaysia, several ex-USSR and therefore nuclear states, also nuclear Pakistan, and basically all of northern Africa. A quick look at a map means that, even if we could somehow avoid massive civil unrest, protests, and economic collapse, and defeat all of those nations' albeit-less-advanced militaries, we would have to physically occupy a land area many times the size of the US and with many, many times the amount of people in order to convince them to stop fighting.

Not happening.
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IUDS!!! And I bet Sandra Fluke is going to make US pay for them!!!
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You simply have no principles if you want to limit free speech to avoid repercussions from simple-minded religious fanatics. I'm no racist, either, idiot.
okay drama queen who said they want to limit free speech?
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:04 PM   #268
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We'd get our ass kicked. You're talking about taking on about 50 countries at once, including all three of the traditional major powers of the middle east - Turkey, Iran, and Egypt - but also Saudi Arabia with all of its oil, Indonesia and Malaysia, several ex-USSR and therefore nuclear states, also nuclear Pakistan, and basically all of northern Africa. A quick look at a map means that, even if we could somehow avoid massive civil unrest, protests, and economic collapse, and defeat all of those nations' albeit-less-advanced militaries, we would have to physically occupy a land area many times the size of the US and with many, many times the amount of people in order to convince them to stop fighting.

Not happening.
I didn't count ex-USSR. that changes things SLIGHTLY. I also wasn't talking about invasion or nation building. I was just talking about kicking the crap out of them. And yes, if the world stood by and said ok.. we could easily the kick the bejeezus out of the entire Muslim world in record time. Again, leaving out the ex-USSR. (hint: pakistan has no viable delivery system for their nukes and we know where they are down to the meter)

The question was "fight" not win or take over.

It was just a silly hypothetical anyway.
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Apparently there are demonstrations going on in Cairo right now, and they're getting violent:

http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-...=1155606982001
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It was just a silly hypothetical anyway.
Silly hypotheticals are the best kind of hypotheticals.

Plus, I'm studying military history. Questions like that are like waving a red flag in front of a bull right now. I can't help it.
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