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Old 09-11-2012, 02:11 PM  
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Protesters storm U.S. Embassy in Cairo

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

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Cairo (CNN) -- Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and hauled down the American flag, replacing it with a black standard with Islamic emblems, apparently in protest of the production of a film thought to insult the Prophet Mohammed.

The incident prompted a volley of warning shots to be fired as a large crowd gathered outside, said CNN producer Mohammed Fahmy, who was on the scene.

The replacement flag read, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger."

Others expressed more general grievances about U.S. policy, chanting anti-American slogans and holding up bits of a shredded American flag to television camera crews in front of the embassy.

An embassy operator told CNN that the facility had been cleared of diplomatic personnel earlier Tuesday, ahead of the apparent threat, while Egyptian riot police were called to help secure the area.

The U.S. Embassy said in a statement Tuesday that it "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."

"Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy," the statement said. "We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."

The incident occurred on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, as crowds gathered in somber remembrance of the nearly 3,000 people killed that day.

It is not clear which film upset the protesters in Cairo.

In 2008, an anti-Muslim and anti-immigration parliamentarian from The Netherlands sparked international outcry when he produced a film that portrayed Islam as a violent religion.

Geert Wilders' film "Fitna," which he released online, featured images of terrorist acts superimposed over verses from the Quran.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:42 AM   #301
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You're very bright, which is why it disturbs me when you display such ignorance. In one sentence you've just proved that you don't understand, at a very fundamental level, how we turned the corner in Iraq, how potentially impossible a situation Afghanistan is, why the Russians could never win in Afghanistan and why we could never win in Vietnam.

Even our most senior military believes that you can't win wars like this just by shooting the bad guys. That's where you and others with your mindset go wrong. The Russians killed over a million people in Afghanistan while they were there and didn't have any fancy rules of engagement, and yet they got tossed out on their ass.

Counter-insurgency isn't some silly Democratic slogan to be nice to bad guys.
I don't think you understand the hypothetical that I'm describing. The Russians cared about holding Afghanistan and turning it into a client state. This is a hypothetical that has nothing to do with what we could do in real life where we don't wage total war and where we aren't looking to leave half of the world in smoldering ruins. In that hypothetical, counter-insurgency isn't even a consideration.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:48 PM   #302
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No Live Ammo for Marines

Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo

http://freebeacon.com/reports-marine...ted-live-ammo/
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:53 PM   #303
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No Live Ammo for Marines

Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo

http://freebeacon.com/reports-marine...ted-live-ammo/
You would think the USA would have learned from Lebanon. You do not ever, ever, put soldiers in harm's way without giving them the ability to do what they are trained to do.

The embassy should not be dictating whether the Marines in question can carry ammo...that decision needs to be made by the Marine commander at the embassy and no one else, save a direct order from his superiors or the President. Diplomats are not qualified to make those decisions.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:56 PM   #304
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No Live Ammo for Marines

Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo

http://freebeacon.com/reports-marine...ted-live-ammo/
Makes about as much sense as the rest of our FP decisions, Stand their and look scary!
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:01 PM   #305
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This is from the Time. Saying no US solders were there. closest US solders were 700 miles away.
Its all here-say for now. But Im a firm believer/ If their is smoke Got-s to be a fire

What’s Worse: No Marines, or (Possibly) Unarmed Marines?

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Old 09-13-2012, 01:11 PM   #306
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This is from the Time. Saying no US solders were there. closest US solders were 700 miles away.
Its all here-say for now. But Im a firm believer/ If their is smoke Got-s to be a fire

What’s Worse: No Marines, or (Possibly) Unarmed Marines?

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/09/13/wh...#ixzz26NFhCYBK
Looks like the article says there were no Marines in Libya, which sounds right. For some reason the ambassador was at a consulate that normally was not protected.

There were Marines in Cairo and it is looking more and more like the ambassador ordered them not to carry ammo. That ambassador should be removed from her post immediately.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:13 PM   #307
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Looks like the article says there were no Marines in Libya, which sounds right. For some reason the ambassador was at a consulate that normally was not protected.

There were Marines in Cairo and it is looking more and more like the ambassador ordered them not to carry ammo. That ambassador should be removed from her post immediately.
We should probably review all ambassadorships for upgrades this November.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:14 PM   #308
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We should probably review all ambassadorships for upgrades this November.
I hope so.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:15 PM   #309
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We should probably review all ambassadorships for upgrades this November.
As soon as obama is gone every appointed position around the world needs to be carefully reviewed.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:16 PM   #310
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Obama foreign policy seems to have a lot of HERS in it
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:27 PM   #311
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You're very bright, which is why it disturbs me when you display such ignorance. In one sentence you've just proved that you don't understand, at a very fundamental level, how we turned the corner in Iraq, how potentially impossible a situation Afghanistan is, why the Russians could never win in Afghanistan and why we could never win in Vietnam.

Even our most senior military believes that you can't win wars like this just by shooting the bad guys. That's where you and others with your mindset go wrong. The Russians killed over a million people in Afghanistan while they were there and didn't have any fancy rules of engagement, and yet they got tossed out on their ass.

Counter-insurgency isn't some silly Democratic slogan to be nice to bad guys.
Up until the point we started supplying the Mujahidin with Stingers the Russians were mopping up in impressive, if brutal, fashion. Had we not interfered they likely would’ve pacified that country for decades, because there wouldn’t be much of the native population left.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:31 PM   #312
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Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo

http://freebeacon.com/reports-marine...ted-live-ammo/
Probably. That’s not nearly as uncommon as one would think.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:40 PM   #313
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Looks like the article says there were no Marines in Libya, which sounds right. For some reason the ambassador was at a consulate that normally was not protected.

There were Marines in Cairo and it is looking more and more like the ambassador ordered them not to carry ammo. That ambassador should be removed from her post immediately.
The ambassador of Egypt is Anne Patterson which the Senate voted unanimously for. She was Ambassador to Pakistan prior to getting the Egyptian gig. She has been described as one of Bush's favorite ambassadors.

She also declined to help protect Benazir Bhutto.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:43 PM   #314
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The ambassador of Egypt is Anne Patterson which the Senate voted unanimously for. She was Ambassador to Pakistan prior to getting the Egyptian gig. She has been described as one of Bush's favorite ambassadors.

She also declined to help protect Benazir Bhutto.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:09 PM   #315
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So do i read this right? The Feds might go after the guy who made the movie??

So its ok to make fun of every other religion except Islam?




http://news.yahoo.com/feds-id-califo...164554115.html
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