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Old 09-11-2012, 07:44 AM  
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First military study out on DADT repeal's effect on military.

Or should I say, complete lack of effect.

Nothing's changed. The military is functioning as normal, despite the warnings of a thousand generals warning it would have a dire effect on readiness, etc.

Mark another one up for open integration.

Here's the study (pdf):

http://www.palmcenter.org/files/One%20Year%20Out_0.pdf

Findings

1. The repeal of DADT has had no overall negative impact on military readiness or its component dimensions, including cohesion, recruitment, retention, assaults, harassment or morale.

2. A comparison of 2011 pre-repeal and 2012 post-repeal survey data shows that service members reported the same level of military readiness after DADT repeal as before it.

3. Even in those units that included openly LGB service members, and that consequently should have been the most likely to experience a drop in cohesion as a result of repeal, cohesion did not decline after the new policy of open service was put into place. In fact, greater openness and honesty resulting from repeal seem to have promoted increased understanding, respect and acceptance.

4. Recruitment was unaffected by the repeal of DADT. In an era when enlistment standards are tightening, service-wide recruitment has remained robust.

5. Retention was unaffected by the repeal of DADT. There was no mass exodus of military members as a result of repeal, and there were only two verifiable resignations linked to the policy change, both military chaplains. Service members were as likely to say that they plan to re-enlist after DADT repeal as was the case pre-repeal.

6. DADT repeal has not been responsible for any new wave of violence or physical abuse among service members. The policy change appears to have enabled some LGB service members to resolve disputes around harassment and bias in ways that were not possible prior to repeal.

7. Service-wide data indicate that overall, force morale did not decrease as a result of the new policy, although repeal produced a decline in individual morale for some service members who personally opposed the policy change and boosted individual morale for others.

8. There was no wave of mass disclosures of sexual orientation after repeal, and a minority of heterosexual service members reported in an independent survey that, after repeal, someone in their unit disclosed being LGB or that an LGB service member joined their unit.

9. Some military members have complained of downsides that followed from the policy change, but others identified upsides, and in no case did negative consequences outweigh benefits. In balance, DADT repeal has enhanced the military’s ability to pursue its mission.

10. The findings of this study are consistent with the reported assessments of repeal by military leadership including President Barack Obama, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey and Marine Corps Commandant James Amos.

11. The findings of this study are consistent with the extensive literature on foreign militaries, which shows uniformly that readiness did not decline after foreign armed forces allowed LGB troops to serve openly.

12. As positive reports about DADT repeal emerged in the media, repeal opponents who predicted that open service would compromise readiness have adjusted their forecasts by emphasizing the possibility of long-term damage that will only become apparent in the future rather than identifiable consequences in the short-term.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:36 AM   #2
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My guess is a lot of gays still serve in the closet rather than openly.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:54 AM   #3
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I don't know many military members who were against the repeal of DADT. I know that on the boat I served on, the consensus was that the law was stupid. We already had openly gay people and noone cared.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:30 AM   #4
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I don't know many military members who were against the repeal of DADT. I know that on the boat I served on, the consensus was that the law was stupid. We already had openly gay people and noone cared.
That has been the overwhelming feeling I've gotten from service members I've talked to.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:36 AM   #5
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Another Clinton policy intended as a pander rather than for it's effect repealed. Good deal.
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:30 PM   #6
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That has been the overwhelming feeling I've gotten from service members I've talked to.
Oh I bet you were overwhelmed by THAT feeling sweetheart. A thousand generals huh? Must be talking about the Chinese Armed Forces on that one. Ever the over-exaggerating drama queen aren't you?
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:40 PM   #7
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A thousand generals huh? Must be talking about the Chinese Armed Forces on that one. Ever the over-exaggerating drama queen aren't you?
There was literally over a thousand former generals speaking out against allowing gay soldiers to serve openly.

That's not hyperbole, that's a fact.

Edit: 1,167.

51 of them are four stars.
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:48 PM   #8
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There was literally over a thousand former generals speaking out against allowing gay soldiers to serve openly.

That's not hyperbole, that's a fact.

Edit: 1,167.

51 of them are four stars.
Cool. Key word is FORMER. Thanks for the drama. For the record I fully supported the repeal of DADT, I just don't care for your constant vapors about everything.. Oh my gosh this is the most important election of my lifetime, oh a thousand generals in their four shiny stars, oh those poor oppressed Palestinian boys...
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Cool. Key word is FORMER. Thanks for the drama.
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:59 PM   #10
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File this under "Shocked if anything different would have happened". That whole banning gays thing was just dumb in the first place.
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Old 09-11-2012, 02:42 PM   #11
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That has been the overwhelming feeling I've gotten from service members I've talked to.
And how many service members have you surveyed big guy?
Let's narrow it down since I'm sure there were so many: how many straight service members have you surveyed on the issue?
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:11 PM   #13
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And how many service members have you surveyed big guy?
Let's narrow it down since I'm sure there were so many: how many straight service members have you surveyed on the issue?
Won't answer that one?
Okay, how about this one:

How many straight members have you serviced?
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:31 PM   #14
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I think DADT was the right decision at the time. It served its purpose and allowed for a fairly smooth transition to today's culture where it is no longer needed and should have been repealed. Who knows if there could have been some other better solutions... but as it is.. DADT worked fine and was sent packing after it obviously had served it's purpose.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:40 PM   #15
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Another Clinton policy intended as a pander rather than for it's effect repealed. Good deal.
It was the Republicans that kept it from being fully repealed at the time of Clinton. It was the best deal he could get. It was the Republicans that kept it from being fully repealed since the time of Clinton.

And when Obama ended DADT and gays could serve openly the Republicans threw a fit, said it would be disasterious in a time of war.

The Republicans were on the wrong side of this issue.

I'm assuming by your comment that you were in the minority of your party and was for gays servng openly, correct?
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