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Old 09-11-2012, 10:59 PM  
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Every year, FF players get more crazy

I'm in a league where I know no one. I've been negotiating with this guy for days now on a deal for Trent Richardson.

Richardson is his 4th RB. He has MJD, CJ2k, Doug Martin and T-Rich.

His WRs are Steve Johnson and Amendola.

I offered him DeMariyus Thomas, Martellus Bennett for Ryan Williams and T-Rich. Counters with Philip Rivers, Williams, MaGahee, Amendola for Cam Newton, DeMariyus, Martellus Bennett and Isaac Redman.

I tell him to pound sand.

Then I sent him an offer of Demariyus and Bennett for Williams and Richardson. No dice. Counters with Andre Johnson/Bennett for Amendola and T-Richardson.

That's lunacy. I personally think Thomas has a huge year and he should be enough for Richardson at this stage of the game. Richardson could have a good year, but there's tons of questions right now surrounding him.

To think I'd trade a PPR machine like Andre Johnson is nuts for a back who's not even on his radar. I politely in an email told him not happening, so of course he says he has other offers, which I know is shit to get me to panic.

I can understand the art of negotiation, but if I was in that position, I'd take Thomas when my WRs look like that.

How is it in your leagues? Are owners just out of their minds this year or am I being crazy?
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:08 PM   #2
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That's lunacy. I personally think Thomas has a huge year and he should be enough for Richardson at this stage of the game. Richardson could have a good year, but there's tons of questions right now surrounding him.
Key here being the above. Maybe he doesn't think Thomas is in for a big year. Maybe he thinks that Decker and Tamme will take the majority of Peyton's targets and that Thomas' catch and run on Monday night was a fluke.

Maybe he saw Trent get 20+ carries for Cleveland and thinks that over the course of the season those carries will translate to RB1 or RB2 production which is worth infinitely more than a WR who will be lucky to break 600 yards.

People value players differently. It's the nature of the beast and always has been.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:16 PM   #3
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I'm in a league where I know no one. I've been negotiating with this guy for days now on a deal for Trent Richardson.

Richardson is his 4th RB. He has MJD, CJ2k, Doug Martin and T-Rich.

His WRs are Steve Johnson and Amendola.

I offered him DeMariyus Thomas, Martellus Bennett for Ryan Williams and T-Rich. Counters with Philip Rivers, Williams, MaGahee, Amendola for Cam Newton, DeMariyus, Martellus Bennett and Isaac Redman.

I tell him to pound sand.

Then I sent him an offer of Demariyus and Bennett for Williams and Richardson. No dice. Counters with Andre Johnson/Bennett for Amendola and T-Richardson.

That's lunacy. I personally think Thomas has a huge year and he should be enough for Richardson at this stage of the game. Richardson could have a good year, but there's tons of questions right now surrounding him.

To think I'd trade a PPR machine like Andre Johnson is nuts for a back who's not even on his radar. I politely in an email told him not happening, so of course he says he has other offers, which I know is shit to get me to panic.

I can understand the art of negotiation, but if I was in that position, I'd take Thomas when my WRs look like that.

How is it in your leagues? Are owners just out of their minds this year or am I being crazy?
Your offers suck. Badly.

In fact, his are far closer to reasonable than yours are. Richardson, if healthy, will be a more valuable fantasy asset over the 2nd half of the season than AJ, IMO. Johnson's become quite overrated these days. He's injury prone and plays for a run-first team.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:16 PM   #4
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Key here being the above. Maybe he doesn't think Thomas is in for a big year. Maybe he thinks that Decker and Tamme will take the majority of Peyton's targets and that Thomas' catch and run on Monday night was a fluke.

Maybe he saw Trent get 20+ carries for Cleveland and thinks that over the course of the season those carries will translate to RB1 or RB2 production which is worth infinitely more than a WR who will be lucky to break 600 yards.

People value players differently. It's the nature of the beast and always has been.
He sent me an email initially saying he wanted Thomas, so I know he values him. You think Thomas is going to be lucky to break 600 yards? That's certainly a different take.

I don't think Peyton Manning has ever had a starting WR on his offense have less than 600 yards.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:21 PM   #5
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He sent me an email initially saying he wanted Thomas, so I know he values him. You think Thomas is going to be lucky to break 600 yards? That's certainly a different take.

I don't think Peyton Manning has ever had a starting WR on his offense have less than 600 yards.
What I think is irrelevant, we're not negotiating for Richardson. I'm saying, that could have been what he thought. Either way, Richardson is more valuable than Thomas in most ppr formats, even more so if this is a non-ppr league. Simply by nature of being an every down running back.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:21 PM   #6
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Your offers suck. Badly.

In fact, his are far closer to reasonable than yours are. Richardson, if healthy, will be a more valuable fantasy asset over the 2nd half of the season than AJ, IMO. Johnson's become quite overrated these days. He's injury prone and plays for a run-first team.
The 'if healthy' is a pretty big thing. How is Johnson overrated? The Texans throw to him every time he's in the lineup. I don't care if they run 40 times, like they pretty much did last week, Johnson still is getting 10 targets and he turned those into a productive week.

Every single draft I was in had Johnson taken over Richardson. You aren't concerned that teams are going to basically stack the box to stop him when the Browns probably have the worst starting QB in the league? Plus, who knows how his health translates this year.

That risk is far greater to me than Andre Johnson's situation.

In a PPR, I'll always value the guy who can catch a ton of passes over the RB who could produce like a RB2.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:29 PM   #7
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What I think is irrelevant, we're not negotiating for Richardson. I'm saying, that could have been what he thought. Either way, Richardson is more valuable than Thomas in most ppr formats, even more so if this is a non-ppr league. Simply by nature of being an every down running back.
Help me understand that line of thinking. Why would he be more valuable than a guy who would catch likely 75-80 passes and likely grab 8-10 touchdowns?

I think Richardson's absolute ceiling this year is around 1150 yards and about 6 scores with that offensive situation and the run defenses in the division.

Now, this time next year, it's likely a far different story. I'm just basing it on the injury, how bad the Browns offense is likely to be this year.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:31 PM   #8
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We both compromised here. Trade was just completed.

I traded: Andre Johnson, Sid Rice, Martellus Bennett

I received: Steve Johnson, Trent Richardson, Ryan Williams.

Really, really jacked I was able to get Steve Johnson.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:52 PM   #9
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Help me understand that line of thinking. Why would he be more valuable than a guy who would catch likely 75-80 passes and likely grab 8-10 touchdowns?

I think Richardson's absolute ceiling this year is around 1150 yards and about 6 scores with that offensive situation and the run defenses in the division.

Now, this time next year, it's likely a far different story. I'm just basing it on the injury, how bad the Browns offense is likely to be this year.
These numbers you are providing are your arbitrary projections for these players. There is 0 statistical evidence to back up either of them, they are not established veterans. Thomas is playing with an entirely different quarterback who likes route runners.

You project Thomas to score more than Richardson, another person may not. Another point is that it is easier to find a 1000 yard wide receiver than a 1000 yard running back.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:57 PM   #10
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Anyway, I'm glad you are happy with your trade. I was merely answering your question if FF players were more crazy by saying that you were basing your assessment of their sanity upon not agreeing with you on an unproven player's worth. Hope you win your league.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:01 AM   #11
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Anyway, I'm glad you are happy with your trade. I was merely answering your question if FF players were more crazy by saying that you were basing your assessment of their sanity upon not agreeing with you on an unproven player's worth. Hope you win your league.
Thanks man. Appreciate the chatter.

I share a team with my brother, and he's likely going to be pissed that I dealt AJ, but I couldn't go into Week 2 with Redman as our starting RB.

We had AP on our bench last week and it cost us. Team still put up 144 without him, but I needed to make a big move so RB is no longer an issue.

What do you think Williams' prospects are this year?
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:07 AM   #12
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They say Beanie is the starter. The QB situation is a mess. I know a lot of people are high on him, but I think you won't see anything from him until Wells gets hurt. Even then, he's likely not starting for your squad barring injury to AP or Trent. I think you have to start TRich, he'll get his touches at least.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:10 AM   #13
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They say Beanie is the starter. The QB situation is a mess. I know a lot of people are high on him, but I think you won't see anything from him until Wells gets hurt. Even then, he's likely not starting for your squad barring injury to AP or Trent. I think you have to start TRich, he'll get his touches at least.
Oh yeah, I'm starting AP and Trent. If Williams shows me something, then great. Beanie is bound to get hurt, again, so I think it's a matter of time.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:14 AM   #14
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Beanie is bound to get hurt, again, so I think it's a matter of time.
This I agree with 100%.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:51 AM   #15
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Williams is definitely in a good situation though. Another one of those runners that we heard SO much about during training camp and portions of preseason, but I think may ultimately disappoint. (Like Giants' Wilson). But, of all those hyped backups, I think he may be in the best position, sitting behind Beanie.

On the other hand, last year I had Beanie and you never knew until RIGHT before the game if he would play or not. Infuriating.
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