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View Poll Results: Who was the most influential?
The Beatles 38 22.09%
Elvis Presley 25 14.53%
John Cafferty & The Beaver Brown Band 102 59.30%
I'm going to make a case for someone else because I'm a moron 7 4.07%
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:10 PM  
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Which was most influential

The Beatles or Elvis Presley. Debergs prog rock thread started me thinking and I thought it was a fairly easy choice until I talked to a few others about it and looked up some numbers. Now it seems like a toss up... although I know what my original gut feeling was.

The Beatles...
Best selling band in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold
22 #1 singles world wide
7 grammys
10 films

Elvis Presley
Best selling solo act in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold
36 #1 singles
3 grammys
33 films

Of course there is plenty of other criteria. What say you though?
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:37 PM   #226
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Black Flag influenced a Shit load of acts.
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:37 PM   #227
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I respect the impact Elvis had but I don't get a lot of enjoyment from the music. Just never loved it.
OK, at this point confusion creeps in.



Costello or Presley?
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:39 PM   #228
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OK, at this point confusion creeps in.



Costello or Presley?
Costello. Hands down. That has no bearing on popularity or impact just me sitting down and enjoying music.
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:40 PM   #229
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Black Flag influenced a Shit load of acts.
Shit, I haven't even opened up my Fugazi, Smiths, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Flag, Husker Du bag yet.


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Old 09-15-2012, 11:41 PM   #230
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Costello. Hands down. That has no bearing on popularity or impact just me sitting down and enjoying music.
I put Costello right around Cohen, with a major elevation d/t his Radio stunt on SNL.
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:45 PM   #231
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I put Costello right around Cohen, with a major elevation d/t his Radio stunt on SNL.
That is fair. Though I like Costello's fringe and new ideas while being popular enough to stay relevant. I see Cohen as a great but safer act.
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:54 PM   #232
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You can begin to tell me and you'll be wrong.
(This isn't a sarcastic laugh but a laugh from the heart)

If you're ever in LA, give me a buzz. I have several Grammy winning engineers and producer friends that would fight you to the death over your words. Me? I'm not nearly that passionate about it. I respect The Beatles, Martin, Emerick, Scott, the EMI & Abbey Road guys but I don't and won't defend them 'til death.

And as for the Beach Boys, YES. They don't get nearly the pub for their innovative songwriting and recordings publicly as they should.

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Old 09-15-2012, 11:56 PM   #233
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Elvis Costello and here is an obscure one.
Elvis Costello is a genius of epic proportions. It's unfortunate that he probably won't be recognized as such until years after his passing but he will be recognized.
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:00 AM   #234
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That is fair. Though I like Costello's fringe and new ideas while being popular enough to stay relevant. I see Cohen as a great but safer act.
I view Cohen as a poet who cannot sing.

Cohen's Hallelujah is beginning to rival McCartney for covers, on the simple premise that telling you what the song is doing to you is sufficient catharsis, while Costello's 'watching the detectives' only reminds you that reggae can be slowed down is weaker sauce.
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:03 AM   #235
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Sorry to take this convo a million ways but...one artist I really love that I think should get more credit is Josh Rouse. This seems to be shared by almost nobody.

That an Jude...but my case for Jude is much weaker...fell in love with an album in the late 90's and have been waiting for that quality since.
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Elvis Costello is a genius of epic proportions. It's unfortunate that he probably won't be recognized as such until years after his passing but he will be recognized.
I bought this "Storytellers VH1" CD at Goodwill and ended up loving it. One of the songs is Elvis Costello. I think it's called, "just a memory," but I'm not sure. The chorus goes, "losing you, is just a memory, memories don't mean that much to me." I scream that song at the top of my longs when I hear it. And ya know what? That is the only Elvis Costello song I've ever heard. I want to check out more of it. Which songs/albums do I start with?
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That had to have been AWESOME. Temple of a Dog, right? Did Temple of a Dog have a member of Screaming Trees, or am I confusing them with Mad Season? Speaking of Screaming Trees, I prefer them over about any band in that genre/era with an exception of Alice in Chains and Stone Temple Pilots.
Temple of the Dog included members of Mother Love Bone (Jeff Ament and Stone Gossage), Chris Cornell and Matt Cameron of Soundgarden and their friend, Mike McCready. The record was recorded in eight days, over the course of four weekends.

I have a long winded story about Eddie Vedder/Scott Weiland, both of which originated from the same band/guitarist/visionary from San Diego. It was no coincidence that they initially sounded the "same" back in 1992...
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Elvis Costello is a genius of epic proportions. It's unfortunate that he probably won't be recognized as such until years after his passing but he will be recognized.
Now we are talking! I am a crazy stalker-esque Elvis Costello fan. To the point of not only having pretty much any and all recording but also tracking down any OTHER artists he mentions as an influence or person he likes and studying them as well. yeah I know, sad.

It was Costello that turned me on to the Specials, the Pogues, Nick Lowe, Chet Baker, the Flying Burrito Brothers, the Louvin Brothers, Jesse Winchester and countless others...

OH and Aimee Mann... here is one of my favorite songs that they wrote together.. if anyone is interested.

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(This isn't a sarcastic laugh but a laugh from the heart)

If you're ever in LA, give me a buzz. I have several Grammy winning engineers and producer friends that would fight you to the death over your words. Me? I'm not nearly that passionate about it. I respect The Beatles, Martin, Emerick, Scott, the EMI & Abbey Road guys but I don't and won't defend them 'til death.

And as for the Beach Boys, YES. They don't get nearly the pub for their innovative songwriting and recordings publicly as they should.

One of my friends manages Brian Wilson. JFC, the stories I could tell...

I'll have to take you up on that! I bet I could hold my own in that fight!

And once again, I am not trying at all to denigrate the Beatles or any of the engineers mentioned. I absolutely love them and the product produced. I just think the record could be set a little more straight.
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I'll have to take you up on that! I bet I could hold my own in that fight!

And once again, I am not trying at all to denigrate the Beatles or any of the engineers mentioned. I absolutely love them and the product produced. I just think the record could be set a little more straight.
LOL. Again, not as an insult.

I must warn you that these guys are ****ing brutal. I like and respect The Beatles, while admittedly, not being a fan. But those that are fans: Watch out!

http://www.recordingthebeatles.com/

This is an absolutely phenomenal book that I highly recommend to any Beatles aficionado. Not only is there specific information about what microphone was used for several recordings, the photographs are worth the price of admission alone.

And Brian is an amazing producer and archivist/mastering engineer in his own right.
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