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Old 09-17-2012, 07:25 PM  
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What is the commander in chief gonna do now?

Cluster ****, sir

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...-with-afghans/

CBS News) —*The strategy for getting U.S. forces out of Afghanistan depends on training Afghan soldiers and police to protect the country themselves, but on Monday the U.S. military suspended most joint field operations with Afghan forces because so many Americans are being killed by the men they are training.

Afghan government troops — our allies — have turned their guns on NATO forces 36 times this year, killing 51, most of them Americans. That is more attacks than the last two years combined.

The order effectively suspends “until further notice” most of the operations which U.S. and Afghan troops conduct side by side. At higher headquarters, Afghans and Americans will still work together, but in the field small unit operations putting Afghan soldiers alongside Americans — the guts of the U.S. strategy to turn the fighting over to Afghans — will be suspended unless an exception is granted by a commanding general.

The order was issued after a long weekend in which four American and two British troops were killed by so-called “insider attacks” — Afghans turning their guns on their supposed allies.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:27 PM   #2
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Should not have been there to begin with...Nation building in the ME is a fool's errand. That Obama followed the Bush Doctrine is one reason I would not give him another vote.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:44 PM   #3
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Here is a recent interview on CNN that is troubling as SHIT...


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In a small house in a Taliban-controlled village is a man who claims to be responsible for a green on blue attack.

With his face covered to hide his identity, he pulls out his police uniform, something he has not worn since the attack on the second of October, 2009.

On patrol with U.S. forces in Wardak province in central Afghanistan, this father of two says he waited for an opportunity to launch his premeditated attack.

The Americans went inside the nearby school for a break, he explains. They took off their body armor and put their weapons down. At that moment I thought it was the right time so I took my gun and shot them. Two soldiers were killed. 25-year-old sergeant Aaron Smith, and 20- year-old private first class, Brandon Owens. Three other soldiers were injured including a captain (INAUDIBLE).

When asked why he turned his gun on the U.S. soldiers training him, he said because Americans were burning copies of the holy Quran and disrespecting it.

Having escaped from the scene, he was captured by the Taliban who thought he was a policeman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): When I told him I killed Americans, he took me to a safe place and gave me new clothes, then, they drove me to Pakistan with the Taliban welcomed me very warmly like a hero. COREN: He says he later moved to Iran for three years. Returning to Afghanistan only recently after being told it was safe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): They said Americans were not everywhere they like used to be. The Taliban brought security and I should return home. I am happy to be back in my country.
So, it appears that the Taliban is pretty much back in charge and gaining ground as we depart.

There has to be a better solution than keeping a constant war over there OR leaving the area and waiting for 911 part 2 to happen.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:46 PM   #4
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Should not have been there to begin with...Nation building in the ME is a fool's errand. That Obama followed the Bush Doctrine is one reason I would not give him another vote.
What's that Bush Doctrine again? Oh wait, I'll just ask Sarah Palin. Surely she knows by now.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:01 PM   #5
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Should not have been there to begin with...Nation building in the ME is a fool's errand. That Obama followed the Bush Doctrine is one reason I would not give him another vote.
Wrong. We should have went in a leveled the ****ing place instead of trying to play this "good guys, bad guys, cops and robbers" bullshit.

If you're going to go to war, go to war. Otherwise save a lot of families a lot of heartache and keep the troops home.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:04 PM   #6
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Wrong. We should have went in a leveled the ****ing place instead of trying to play this "good guys, bad guys, cops and robbers" bullshit.

If you're going to go to war, go to war. Otherwise save a lot of families a lot of heartache and keep the troops home.
You are right. We should have stayed home.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:06 PM   #7
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You are right. We should have stayed home.
And wait for 911 part 2? Staying home and giving the Taliban free reign is not an answer. It just gives them a safe haven to train and empower terrorists.

We need a different solution and I'm afraid it's probably going to have to be far more drastic than we've had the stomach for so far.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:07 PM   #8
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Wrong. We should have went in a leveled the ****ing place instead of trying to play this "good guys, bad guys, cops and robbers" bullshit.

If you're going to go to war, go to war. Otherwise save a lot of families a lot of heartache and keep the troops home.
I agree so you should go down to the nearest recruiting station and sign up. Let us know when you do.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:10 PM   #9
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I agree so you should go down to the nearest recruiting station and sign up. Let us know when you do.
I know that isn't addressed to me.. but I am in the camp that thinks more needs to be done... but I don't see any workable solution that puts more boots on the ground. That is something we know doesn't work unless you want to commit to massive numbers and decades of occupation.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:10 PM   #10
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I agree so you should go down to the nearest recruiting station and sign up. Let us know when you do.
This makes no sense to what I said but ok
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:12 PM   #11
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Obama said the taliban is not the enemy. Good lord
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:15 PM   #12
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but I don't see any workable solution that puts more boots on the ground. That is something we know doesn't work unless you want to commit to massive numbers and decades of occupation.
I tend to agree.

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This makes no sense to what I said but ok
Because it is easy to sit at home and say we should go to all out war when there is no sacrifice on your end
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:19 PM   #13
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I tend to agree.



Because it is easy to sit at home and say we should go to all out war when there is no sacrifice on your end
No, tool, that's not what I said. I said if you're going to go to war, go to war like you mean it, otherwise sit down and shut up.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:23 PM   #14
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Because it is easy to sit at home and say we should go to all out war when there is no sacrifice on your end
all or nothing!




half-assed war is what the Chiefs did on Sunday...
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:24 PM   #15
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That means you control production and pay for the action in waging war. I don't hear that being the wish. No you back off and start supporting the natural antagonism between Iran (shia) and Saudi Arabia (sunni). It predates Islam.
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