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Old 09-17-2012, 05:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:20 AM   #256
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Can you prove otherwise? If so, please do.
Well neither one has physically deported anyone. However he is the only president that (against congresses wishes no less) issued an executive order demanding that illegals are not be deported. He has sued states for attempting to enforce their own version of deportion.
Yeah he's real tough on illegal aliens.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:22 AM   #257
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Here's my impression of Romney talking to the press of exactly how is economic plan is spelled out:

"I'll tell you in a minute. First, let's drink, you from your glass, and me from mine!"
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:22 AM   #258
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Well neither one has physically deported anyone. However he is the only president that (against congresses wishes no less) issued an executive order demanding that illegals are not be deported. He has sued states for attempting to enforce their own version of deportion.
Yeah he's real tough on illegal aliens.
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Well, if you were familiar with that EO, you'd know that there are strict criteria in which people that were born in the US illegally or brought here against there will, were allowed to apply for suspended deportation.

That is NOT the same as amnesty. Also, what is your personal experience with foreigners wanting to immigrate to the United States legally?
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:25 AM   #259
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I actually think that Obama is to the right of Clinton.

I guess perception is everything.
As the R base has taken a big jump to the right since the 90s, they see everything to the left of themselves as far, far left. In a world where Reagan would be a RINO, Obama is seen as a socialist dictator. Today's Rs are are freaking nuts.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:29 AM   #260
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As the R base has taken a big jump to the right since the 90s, they see everything to the left of themselves as far, far left. In a world where Reagan would be a RINO, Obama is seen as a socialist dictator. Today's Rs are are freaking nuts.
While that may be a public perception, there are moderate Republicans like Scott Brown, although they are becoming far and few between.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:30 AM   #261
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I'd say the 47% of Americans that are victims are the ones that pay income taxes.

(Yeah, yeah. It's a little higher than 47%.)
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:30 AM   #262
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I'd say the 47% of Americans that are victims are the ones that pay income taxes.


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Old 09-18-2012, 12:31 AM   #263
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Well neither one has physically deported anyone. However he is the only president that (against congresses wishes no less) issued an executive order demanding that illegals are not be deported. He has sued states for attempting to enforce their own version of deportion.
Yeah he's real tough on illegal aliens.
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You truly are clueless about executive orders in general and about that executive order specifically. Also, about how federal agencies have some discretion in how to carry out their directives. Should they use resources on otherwise law-abiding people brought here as children or should they use their resources on more serious cases?
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:33 AM   #264
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You truly are clueless about executive orders in general and about that executive order specifically. Also, about how federal agencies have some discretion in how to carry out their directives. Should they use resources on otherwise law-abiding people brought here as children or should they use their resources on more serious cases?
Like what? Prosecuting guys who run guns into Mexico?
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:36 AM   #265
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I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.
Although he'll try to squirm around this and it will be fun to watch, at the end of the day, I don't really see how Mitt insulting people who are going to vote for his opponent is really going to hurt him.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:36 AM   #266
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they should use resources and deport any person in this country not physically born here. Period. Simultaneously end the free-reign of anchor babies being brought into our country. I know this will be hard to fathom as it removes your voter base.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:38 AM   #267
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I have a question for you and I'm being completely sincere: Why would I, as a voter, select Romney? President Bush started two unfunded wars
You see, you asked "why would I vote for Romney" and then brought up Bush. What does Bush have to do with Romney, other than they both belong to the same political party?

ie "two unfunded wars" he got the go ahead from Congress. A Congress I think at the time was domnated by the other political party. Or am I allowed to mention that? Too partisan, perhaps?

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the stock markets crashed
Not gonna go off into a consipracy theory tangent because of all the fun I poke at other posters who do, but---

it sure was convenient when it crashed. Especially since up to that point both campaigns were focused (like a laser beam ) on the war in Iraq, Gitmo, the Patriot Act et al. And B.O. wasn't getting any mileage.

Anyway maybe it was just a coincidence the stock market crashed when it did, but from what I've seen since then and what I've learned is that the stock market can and does get manipulated by government agencies and private investors with inside information and unethical (perhaps even illegal) relations with members of Congress.

Bottom line, I'm not sure how Bush is the only culprit and I'm definitely perplexed as to what that has to do with Mitt Romney four years later.

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the economy was bleeding jobs when he left office and quite honestly, I'm far better off today than I was when he left office (although to be completely honest, I'm quite a bit behind 2006).
The housing market crashed as a result of too much meddling by the federal government. Not trying to sound partisan, but can't help it because it's true--- the main culprits in Congress were all democrats. Bush was a bleeding heart who wanted libs to like him even though everybody could see that was never going to happen so he went along with the push to give people who had shitty credit ratings a chance to purchase a home. Then you had all the speculators buying and selling running up the prices, then you had the investment banks taking all these risky mortgages, cutting them up into tranches, getting a strong armed triple A rating, and a ponzi scheme juggernaut three card monty on steroids later---

And we had the "recession" really a depression that we still haven't recovered from.

Don't see any reason why Obama was rewarded in 2008, and don't see any reason to give him 4 more years when his policies have only exacerbated the problem.

Will Romney make it better? I don't know that(Just like when you fire the coach who went 1-15 and replace him with an unknown). I do know Obama definitely won't. In fact, he'll make things worse, because thats been the trend for the entirety of his term.

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What assurances do I have that Romney won't invade Iran and drive our debt even higher?
Iran is going to be a problem regardless who is the president.


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What assurances do I have that he won't continue to pander (for lack of a better word) to corporations and the wealthy?
Well now that's just delusional. Obama has done nothing but pander to Goldman Sachs, GE, and all his faux Green energy companies. Obama has pandered to the wealthy in Hollywood, his about face on gay marriage was pure political agitprop because he was desperately in need of a cash infusion into his coffers.

You do know we have a representative government, right? Last time I checked, the "wealthy" are American citizens who have interests to protect just like anybody else. I don't envy them nor do I want them attacked like Kulaks in the USSR were.
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they should use resources and deport any person in this country not physically born here. Period. Simultaneously end the free-reign of anchor babies being brought into our country. I know this will be hard to fathom as it removes your voter base.
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That anchor babies thing is going to take an amendment, and that's never going to happen. Best just to get over that one.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:39 AM   #269
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they should use resources and deport any person in this country not physically born here. Period. Simultaneously end the free-reign of anchor babies being brought into our country. I know this will be hard to fathom as it removes your voter base.
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Okay, you're missing the point, entirely.

Under the EO, Obama allowed people born illegally to come forward and apply for delayed immigration. These are people whose parent immigrated illegally but they've gone to school, never broken laws and are contributing members of society.

You propose to deport those people? Why and where? Where do you send these people?

Again, do you have any experience, whatsoever, with any family member immigrating legally to the US?
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they should use resources and deport any person in this country not physically born here. Period. Simultaneously end the free-reign of anchor babies being brought into our country. I know this will be hard to fathom as it removes your voter base.
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And so if they don't have the resources to get every single one of them tomorrow, who should they prioritize?
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