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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:39 AM   #391
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It's the vacuous need on the part of some to interpret his comments ultra-literally and pretend that it's a gamechanger
Sucks when people do that and don't look at the overall statement, or even the preceding sentence or two. It would be like the Rs literally dedicating an entire day of their national convention to Obama saying "You didn't build that."
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:46 AM   #392
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Sucks when people do that and don't look at the overall statement, or even the preceding sentence or two. It would be like the Rs literally dedicating an entire day of their national convention to Obama saying "You didn't build that."
In my opinion, the entire context of Romney's speech in that video is more damning than any one single line.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:49 AM   #393
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This thread is filled with fail from Direckshun's claim that Obama's stimulus is the same as what Romney would have proposed to Dane McCloud's assertion that Ronald Reagan was for socialized medicine to Suzzer's Obama is to the right of Eisenhower. Fun reading.
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”

"Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. And a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society."

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their choice."

"Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things, but their number is negligible and they are stupid."

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

There are tons more like this. The Republican Party platform of 1956 called for expansion of Social Security, broadened unemployment insurance, better health protection. It called for voting rights--full voting civil rights for D.C. It called for expanding the minimum wage to cover more workers. It called for improved job safety for workers, equal pay for workers regardless of sex.

Your party has gone completely around the bend these days.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:52 AM   #394
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What's disturbing to me is the implication that all of Obama's supporters are jobless parasites.
This.

And as Brock pointed out, is why the R won't win this election. They need a candidate that isn't an idiot and knows how to manipulate people, much like the way Obama did in 08. Romney clearly isn't very bright.

The POTUS is suppose to unify a nation, not spew childish generalities that are found on Internet forums.

It's a childish and inaccurate shot at the dems. Those on the fence, who he needs to win over, will see it as that.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:54 AM   #395
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“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”

"Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. And a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society."

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their choice."

"Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things, but their number is negligible and they are stupid."

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

There are tons more like this. The Republican Party platform of 1956 called for expansion of Social Security, broadened unemployment insurance, better health protection. It called for voting rights--full voting civil rights for D.C. It called for expanding the minimum wage to cover more workers. It called for improved job safety for workers, equal pay for workers regardless of sex.

Your party has gone completely around the bend these days.
I don't care how left Eisenhower seems compared to the Republican party of Ronald Reagan, he's not to the left of Obama.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:58 AM   #396
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I don't care how left Eisenhower seems compared to the Republican party of Ronald Reagan, he's not to the left of Obama.
Yeah, he doesn't sound like Obama on healthcare AT ALL.

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"We must aid in cushioning the heavy and rising costs of illness and hospitalization to individuals and families. Provision should be made, by Federal reinsurance or otherwise, to foster extension of voluntary health insurance coverage to many more persons, especially older persons and those in rural areas. Plans should be evolved to improve protection against the costs of prolonged or severe illness. These measures will help reduce the dollar barrier between many Americans and the benefits of modern medical care." Although such efforts failed to materialize over the course of Eisenhower's time in office, he strengthened the US Food and Drug Administration and increased funds for medical research.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:59 AM   #397
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The POTUS is suppose to unify a nation, not spew childish generalities that are found on Internet forums.
Interesting enough very conservative Rich Lowry said the same thing.

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Rich Lowry: “The overall impression of Romney at this event is of someone who overhead some conservative cocktail chatter and maybe read a conservative blog or two, and is thoughtlessly repeating back what he heard and read.”
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:01 AM   #398
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I was for it before i was against it.

Exactly.

Pat's wrong on this issue. I can dig up more for proof.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:01 AM   #399
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I don't care how left Eisenhower seems compared to the Republican party of Ronald Reagan, he's not to the left of Obama.


You're a funny man, Pat.

Where can I see your standup act?
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Interesting enough very conservative Rich Lowry said the same thing.
Nah, I think it's deeply ingrained in his personality. The fact that he named his 1st son Taggart is telling.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:02 AM   #401
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“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”

"Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. And a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society."

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~Dwight D. Eisenhower

There are tons more like this. The Republican Party platform of 1956 called for expansion of Social Security, broadened unemployment insurance, better health protection. It called for voting rights--full voting civil rights for D.C. It called for expanding the minimum wage to cover more workers. It called for improved job safety for workers, equal pay for workers regardless of sex.

Your party has gone completely around the bend these days.
RINO's indeed.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:03 AM   #402
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Exactly.

Pat's wrong on this issue. I can dig up more for proof.
You already found a Reagan quote saying exactly the opposite of what you claimed. I think you've wrapped it up pretty nicely.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:06 AM   #403
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You already found a Reagan quote saying exactly the opposite of what you claimed. I think you've wrapped it up pretty nicely.


Are you completely unable to read between the lines? He says he's not for Socialized Medicine, then says he's for Socialized Medicine.

He tried to get socialized medicine passed in California. He was ALWAYS for it, but his party, at the time, was not.

Just like some Republicans are Pro Choice but don't make a stink about it.
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Just so i can be clear on the subject:

Does that 47% of "non tax payers" = People who don't pay taxes out of their pay check (or don't work at all)

or does it = People who don't pay an income tax at the end of the year?
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You already found a Reagan quote saying exactly the opposite of what you claimed.
And is that all you've got? After 15 or 20 civil responses to Tom Jay, you're calling me out on the Reagan quote?

How about this, Pat. Can you be as truthful as he was? :

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This goes back to my initial question: Can you assure me that this issue will be addressed (I don't think it will ever be "fixed) if Romney is elected POTUS?
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Honestly, I can't.
So what say you, Pat?
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