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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:15 PM   #466
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Yes, he is.

He is alienating me, and people like me, among millions of others.

I certainly make more than 20K a year, Not enough to warrant a need to PAY (because of student loan deductions and several others that I qualify for) and not enough to get anything back.

I end up giving up $400-500 a month out of my checks, and typically end up awash at the end of the tax year, not owing anything, and not getting anything in return.

So I'm a moocher who's dependent on the government because of that?
It's fun to see people who can't even figure out what he was talking about get outraged over what he said. Let's face it, you weren't going to vote for him anyway. He was definitely talking about you.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:17 PM   #467
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"You know what's wrong with this country? THE VOTERS."
That's actually quite correct, if you assume that there is something wrong with the country. We get the politicians we vote for and the system they support. If Obama wins it will be in part based on the very reasons Romney explained. People voting their self-interest is absolutely fine, though I think someone has to stand up and explain that the path we're on is unsustainable.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:18 PM   #468
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Meh, it's not a race thing. It wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of payouts go to whites...
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:19 PM   #469
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So he's still alienating a % of the working class then.

The "Working Poor" as someone has pointed out.
He's only alienating people who want to be alienated. If you're not looking for a handout and as much free lunch as you can get, you have no reason to be alienated whether you're receiving government assistance or not and whether you're paying taxes or not.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:20 PM   #470
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He's only alienating people who want to be alienated. If you're not looking for a handout and as much free lunch as you can get, you have no reason to be alienated whether you're receiving government assistance or not and whether you're paying taxes or not.
This isn't what liberals want to believe.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:23 PM   #471
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It's a bipartisan, anti-poverty program administered through the tax code. Mainly benefits families with kids.
championed and expanded by Reagan and other conservatives as well
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:24 PM   #472
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It's fun to see people who can't even figure out what he was talking about get outraged over what he said. Let's face it, you weren't going to vote for him anyway. He was definitely talking about you.
Whether i was going to vote for him or not has no bearing on him alienating millions of working Americans, both repub and dem.

And oh look, another righty labeling someone a moocher when i in fact pay taxes.

So if you think he's talking to me, then he's also talking to 10's of millions of other Working Americans that aren't required to pay an additional income tax at the end of of year.

It was a stupid comment made by a stupid candidate, and now being backed by a stupid poster.

If the Dems win, it's not because the Dems are better, it's because the Repubs failed so hard.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:25 PM   #473
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He's only alienating people who want to be alienated. If you're not looking for a handout and as much free lunch as you can get, you have no reason to be alienated whether you're receiving government assistance or not and whether you're paying taxes or not.
No he's not. He's making a blanket comment about a large portion of Americans.

You can defend his comments all you want, it was a stupid thing to say, and not something a potential POTUS should be saying.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:25 PM   #474
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He's only alienating people who want to be alienated. If you're not looking for a handout and as much free lunch as you can get, you have no reason to be alienated whether you're receiving government assistance or not and whether you're paying taxes or not.
I disagree. What I glean from his comment is "if you don't pay income taxes then you refuse to take responsibility for your life and just want handouts". If I am part of a family that works full-time and just doesn't make much, I am pissed. If I am a senior citizen that paid income taxes my entire working life and now I live off a modest SS check, I am pissed.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:26 PM   #475
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It's fun to see people who can't even figure out what he was talking about get outraged over what he said. Let's face it, you weren't going to vote for him anyway. He was definitely talking about you.
That's just the problem though IMHO. Romney needs to limit his comments to those which even the lowest common denominator (NOT referring to Detoxing) can understand. Those that can understand where he is coming from aren't the voters that need to be reached.
I am far, far, far from impressed with the "campaign" the Romney camp has run thus far.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:27 PM   #476
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Economically speaking, it has the same effect as a welfare check. Politically, a tax credit is more palatable to the masses than a welfare check, thus probaby the reason they went that route. The main difference in this instance between the tax credit and welfare is that you have to be working to earn the credit so people don't get it if they sit at home.
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It's a bipartisan, anti-poverty program administered through the tax code. Mainly benefits families with kids.
Handouts. Thanks. Any idea where the money comes from for these welfare payments?
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Whether i was going to vote for him or not has no bearing on him alienating millions of working Americans, both repub and dem.

And oh look, another righty labeling someone a moocher when i in fact pay taxes.

So if you think he's talking to me, then he's also talking to 10's of millions of other Working Americans that aren't required to pay an additional income tax at the end of of year.

It was a stupid comment made by a stupid candidate, and now being backed by a stupid poster.

If the Dems win, it's not because the Dems are better, it's because the Repubs failed so hard.
I didn't label you a moocher (although you probably are judging by the way you reacted to Romney's comment). I put a worse label on you. You're an Obama supporter.
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If I am part of a family that works full-time and just doesn't make much, I am pissed. If I am a senior citizen that paid income taxes my entire working life and now I live off a modest SS check, I am pissed.
THIS right here.

You don't have to be a R or L to admit it was a stupid thing for a candidate to say, because there are both R's and L's in that bracket.

There are Republicans in that bracket that are struggling to make ends meet, and this man has gone ahead and generalized them as moochers.

It was a stupid comment.
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He's only alienating people who want to be alienated.
Isn't that always the case? It's akin to Creationists being upset with Bill Nye.
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