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Old 09-17-2012, 05:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:58 PM   #496
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Its obviously not elegantly stated, but hes not wrong. People just dont like hearing the ugly truth about themselves.

His campaign is in no jeopardy because nothing this man could do would ever change their vote.
For the billionth time - 1/3 of this 47% number are seniors on social security. Do you think these people are freeloaders who feel like they're victims and are all going to vote Obama because of it?
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:01 PM   #497
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And you seem to be the kind of voter that is wrong with this country, much like Romney was saying. You're either in the tank for the dependency agenda or you're too caught up on superficialities to evaluate the candidates on a substantive basis.
Right. You're either for us, or against us. Gotcha.

I guess looking at both parties objectively and hoping for a candidate who can put the Country before its party is out of the equation. Romney's comment was designed to appease R's like you, who were going to vote for him anyway just because he's Republican.

It's too bad he simultaneously alienated swing voters and poor Right Wings. It wasn't a smart move, but go ahead and foolishly defend it.

Obama has failed the country.

Romney has failed to prove that he can identify with the country and be a good candidate to fix it.

This election year feels like its more about Right vs Left then it is about finding practical solutions.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:10 PM   #498
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I know you didn't point that post at me, but I will respond anyway. I support Obama and I do just fine taking care of myself. I also help take care of my parents and other members of my extended family when needed. I am dependent on no one. I just don't want some dickhead that was born with a silver spoon lodged in his ass being the president. If the Republicans had any candidates that were palatable, I would be happy to consider voting Rebublican.
You're right, it wasn't pointed at you.

I don't really understand your class resentment though. I know you're not poor yourself, and that you're educated, which in some ways makes it even harder to understand.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:11 PM   #499
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You're right, it wasn't pointed at you.

I don't really understand your class resentment though. I know you're not poor yourself, and that you're educated, which in some ways makes it even harder to understand.


"I really can't understand why everyone doesn't think exactly as I do!"

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Old 09-18-2012, 02:12 PM   #500
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Right. You're either for us, or against us. Gotcha.

I guess looking at both parties objectively and hoping for a candidate who can put the Country before its party is out of the equation. Romney's comment was designed to appease R's like you, who were going to vote for him anyway just because he's Republican.

It's too bad he simultaneously alienated swing voters and poor Right Wings. It wasn't a smart move, but go ahead and foolishly defend it.

Obama has failed the country.

Romney has failed to prove that he can identify with the country and be a good candidate to fix it.

This election year feels like its more about Right vs Left then it is about finding practical solutions.
He didn't alienate any swing voters. You're not a swing voter. That's just something you tell yourself so you don't feel like a captive of the democrat party. Eventually, you'll weigh your choices and think real hard about it before inevitably pulling the lever for the democrat in the end.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:12 PM   #501
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You're right, it wasn't pointed at you.

I don't really understand your class resentment though. I know you're not poor yourself, and that you're educated, which in some ways makes it even harder to understand.
Simple. I grew up lower-middle class. Closer to working poor than upper middle class. I know how tough it can get. So while I busted my ass to get where I am, I know where I came from.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:13 PM   #502
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"I really can't understand why everyone doesn't think exactly as I do!"

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Is the fact that someone was born into a wealthy family a showstopper for you when it comes to casting your vote? Don't you have any difficulty understanding that mentality?
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:14 PM   #503
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Simple. I grew up lower-middle class. Closer to working poor than upper middle class. I know how tough it can get. So while I busted my ass to get where I am, I know where I came from.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:17 PM   #504
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On Monday and Tuesday Mother Jones published exclusive video that captured Mitt Romney speaking to donors at a May 17 fundraiser, which was held at the home of private equity mogul Mark Leder. Responding to a question about the "Palestinian problem," Romney said peace in the Middle East is not possible and a Palestinian state is not feasible, telling donors that Palestinians have "no interest whatsoever in establishing peace and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish."

At another point, the GOP presidential nominee told attendees of this $50,000-a-plate dinner that 47 percent of Americans—those who back President Obama—are "victims" who are "dependent upon government" and "pay no income tax." He noted: "My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." These comments set off a media firestorm and generated headlines around the world.

Romney's remarks, denigrating nearly half of the electorate, sent the Romney campaign—already roiled by infighting—into panic mode. The campaign hastily convened a late-night press conference to address his controversial statements, and Romney stood by his "off the cuff" comments, while conceding that they were "not elegantly stated." He claimed his comments where merely a "snippet" and not the "full response." That was not true; his comments were shown in full. He added, "I hope the person who has the video would put out the full material."

Romney is not the only one who has called for the release of the full 49-minute video. And we're more than happy to oblige. The complete video demonstrates that Romney was not snippetized and that he was captured raw and uncut. Here it is, in two parts:




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Old 09-18-2012, 02:18 PM   #505
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To make up for this, Romney has promised to change the title of his campaign book No Apology.

The new title is Not Elegantly Stated.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:19 PM   #506
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Is the fact that someone was born into a wealthy family a showstopper for you when it comes to casting your vote? Don't you have any difficulty understanding that mentality?
Absolutely not.

Although it would help if the person running for the highest office in the Land didn't continually alienate and insult his potential constituents.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:19 PM   #507
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He didn't alienate any swing voters. You're not a swing voter. That's just something you tell yourself so you don't feel like a captive of the democrat party. Eventually, you'll weigh your choices and think real hard about it before inevitably pulling the lever for the democrat in the end.
Actually, i've already decided that i'm not voting for either party until they can give me something worth voting for.

I prefer not wasting my time on idiots like Romney or failures like Obama.

But go ahead and keep painting me as the enemy just because i won't blindly vote for some detached rich guy who doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut.
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i won't blindly vote for some detached rich guy who doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut.
He doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut because he's used to speaking to a captive audience.
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