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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:37 PM   #526
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He's said it more than once. It's what he believes in.

1998.

2001.

2008, Joe the Plumber.
Cool. I'll have to research because that particular quote, IMO, wasn't damning at all. It was about the Civil Rights movement, the SCOTUS and the Constitution.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:40 PM   #527
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He's said it more than once. It's what he believes in.

1998.

2001.

2008, Joe the Plumber.
Google Search: obama redistribute wealth quote 2008

This yields nothing but McCain and the Republican Party's reference to Obama's 2001 interview.

If you could kindly provide the other information you've alluded to, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:47 PM   #528
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Google Search: obama redistribute wealth quote 2008

This yields nothing but McCain and the Republican Party's reference to Obama's 2001 interview.

If you could kindly provide the other information you've alluded to, it would be greatly appreciated.


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Old 09-18-2012, 02:54 PM   #529
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Full interview:

Encounter with Barack Obama

On October 12, 2008, three days before the final presidential debate, Obama met residents in Wurzelbacher's Ohio neighborhood. Wurzelbacher, who had been playing football with his son in his front yard at the time, asked Obama about his tax plan. Wurzelbacher suggested that Obama's tax plan would be at odds with "the American dream." Wurzelbacher said, "I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year. Your new tax plan's going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Obama responded with an explanation of how his tax plan would affect a small business in this bracket. Obama said, "If you're a small business, which you would qualify, first of all, you would get a 50 percent tax credit so you'd get a cut in taxes for your health care costs. So you would actually get a tax cut on that part. If your revenue is above 250, then from 250 down, your taxes are going to stay the same. It is true that, say for 250 up — from 250 to 300 or so, so for that additional amount, you’d go from 36 to 39 percent, which is what it was under Bill Clinton."

Obama also said, "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance at success, too… My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off [...] if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:58 PM   #530
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Thanks.

Full interview:

Encounter with Barack Obama

On October 12, 2008, three days before the final presidential debate, Obama met residents in Wurzelbacher's Ohio neighborhood. Wurzelbacher, who had been playing football with his son in his front yard at the time, asked Obama about his tax plan. Wurzelbacher suggested that Obama's tax plan would be at odds with "the American dream." Wurzelbacher said, "I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year. Your new tax plan's going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Obama responded with an explanation of how his tax plan would affect a small business in this bracket. Obama said, "If you're a small business, which you would qualify, first of all, you would get a 50 percent tax credit so you'd get a cut in taxes for your health care costs. So you would actually get a tax cut on that part. If your revenue is above 250, then from 250 down, your taxes are going to stay the same. It is true that, say for 250 up — from 250 to 300 or so, so for that additional amount, you’d go from 36 to 39 percent, which is what it was under Bill Clinton."

Obama also said, "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance at success, too… My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off [...] if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."
The last sentence and proclamation is the only relevant one.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:00 PM   #531
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The last sentence and proclamation is the only relevant one.
To be quite honest, I'm not even sure what he's saying.

I don't understand how taxing Joe the Plumber 3% is going to help his business, nor do I understand what "wealth" he's referring to in his statement.

I'm actually dumbfounded by the logic.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:04 PM   #532
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To be quite honest, I'm not even sure what he's saying.

I don't understand how taxing Joe the Plumber 3% is going to help his business, nor do I understand what "wealth" he's referring to in his statement.

I'm actually dumbfounded by the logic.
I thought it was the most important moment of 2008, honestly. Unscripted, no teleprompter. Just "speaking from the heart."

He believes absolutely in wealth redistribution and see's nothing wrong with it at all. In fact, he thinks it's "good for everyone," even those being taken from to "spread it around."
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:07 PM   #533
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I thought it was the most important moment of 2008, honestly. Unscripted, no teleprompter. Just "speaking from the heart."

He believes absolutely in wealth redistribution and see's nothing wrong with it at all. In fact, he thinks it's "good for everyone," even those being taken from to "spread it around."
Even if he believes in it (and there's some pretzel logic going on with the 2008 interview), he hasn't been able to act on that idea and I doubt he will.

Personally, I don't mind paying a few percent more in taxes IF it will help pay down the debt and possibly help out those in need. The problem is that the Congress is so corrupt, those two things aren't likely to happen.
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I thought it was the most important moment of 2008, honestly. Unscripted, no teleprompter. Just "speaking from the heart."

He believes absolutely in wealth redistribution and see's nothing wrong with it at all. In fact, he thinks it's "good for everyone," even those being taken from to "spread it around."
The most important political part of 2008 was when McCain suspended his campaign and acted stupid by picking Palin. The economy crashing because of greedy Wall Street was by far the most important part

As it stands now Romney is going to be defined by his Libya remarks and this video where he shits on half the country.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:08 PM   #535
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Was that an Obama quote?

Edit: Just looked it up. From 2001:

http://themoderatevoice.com/23805/ob...te-in-context/

This?


It's at the end.
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Even if he believes in it (and there's some pretzel logic going on with the 2008 interview), he hasn't been able to act on that idea and I doubt he will.

Personally, I don't mind paying a few percent more in taxes IF it will help pay down the debt and possibly help out those in need. The problem is that the Congress is so corrupt, those two things aren't likely to happen.
I would too, at least the debt idea. But, that isn't what he's talking about. He's talking about general wealth redistribution. Taking from those who have it and giving it to those who do not. And it helps EVERYONE, including those being taken from.

Robama Hood is apropos (whoever coined it).
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The most important part of 2008 was when McCain suspended his campaign and acted stupid by picking Palin.

As it stands now Romney is going to be defined by his Libya remarks and this video where he shits on half the country.
that half wasn't going to vote for him anyways...

he's got his half, what he needs to do is win over the 6% that's left over(and the majority of them have jobs)...
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The most important political part of 2008 was when McCain suspended his campaign and acted stupid by picking Palin. The economy crashing because of greedy Wall Street was by far the most important part

As it stands now Romney is going to be defined by his Libya remarks and this video where he shits on half the country.
Yeah, I realize that Obama supporters agree with him. And still do.
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It's at the end.
Thanks.

I really don't have a problem with that statement "I actually believe in some level of redistribution so that everybody's got a shot".

Poverty in this country is a huge issue. Some say it's an epidemic. I'm not really sure how you tackle it without some government intervention.

Let's just say that I'm glad I never went into politics.

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that half wasn't going to vote for him anyways...

he's got his half, what he needs to do is win over the 6% that's left over(and the majority of them have jobs)...
We have been over this already the people he was talking about vote Republican just as much or more than Democrat. He shat on his own supporters
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