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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:26 PM   #556
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Do you mean the DOJ? Have they called MediaMatters and given them today's talking points yet? Media collusion with this administration has gotten to the point of lunacy. Anyone who doesn't have a problem with it is either a fool or a bastard.
MSNBC...err...NBC Just reported you are on the fringe, and are not to be taken seriously. The problem we face is the only people who do not follow the instructions from the Ministry of Truth are batshit crazy the other way. Beck, Savage, Rush and others babble on with their own version of reality~
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:27 PM   #557
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Sure.

I'm glad I met you -- I can't imagine the arguments we'd be having if we hadn't shared lunch...
Me, too. And I'm glad you didn't throw me off the deck of your beach house!



I appreciate and respect your point of view and I've learned more recently than I would have expected to learn from this forum. And it's not because I'm some kind of hard line Liberal - that's extremely far from the truth, especially considering I've voted five times Republican and only twice Democrat (and Republican on the state and local level every time). And McCain had my vote until he chose Palin.

I believe in fiscal conservatism and social acceptance. One of the reasons I began participating in the D.C. is to gain some knowledge of what's happening because since 2008, I've pretty much gone about my business and ignored it.

Not that my vote means much in the national election while living in this state.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:29 PM   #558
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Too obscure for me. If it made more sense than your usual , could you translate for me?
Pat, that's not what I inferred from that link. You can go ahead and write a brief about how I'm missing the point, if it'll make you feel better.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:34 PM   #559
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Me, too. And I'm glad you didn't throw me off the deck of your beach house!



I appreciate and respect your point of view and I've learned more recently than I would have expected to learn from this forum. And it's not because I'm some kind of hard line Liberal - that's extremely far from the truth, especially considering I've voted five times Republican and only twice Democrat (and Republican on the state and local level every time). And McCain had my vote until he chose Palin.

I believe in fiscal conservatism and social acceptance. One of the reasons I began participating in the D.C. is to gain some knowledge of what's happening because since 2008, I've pretty much gone about my business and ignored it.

Not that my vote means much in the national election while living in this state.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:38 PM   #560
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Pat, that's not what I inferred from that link. You can go ahead and write a brief about how I'm missing the point, if it'll make you feel better.
OK. No, I won't write anything more because I know I can't convince you, but it's pretty obvious that that's what he's saying.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:53 PM   #561
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OK. No, I won't write anything more because I know I can't convince you, but it's pretty obvious that that's what he's saying.
It's not so much that I don't believe you (or Donger or RINGLEADER) it's that my powers of reading between the lines and perception must be failing.

Or it also could be that I'm just not familiar enough with all of his statements in order to put two and two together.

Or all of the above.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:59 PM   #562
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And it's not because I'm some kind of hard line Liberal - that's extremely far from the truth, especially considering I've voted five times Republican and only twice Democrat (and Republican on the state and local level every time). And McCain had my vote until he chose Palin.

I believe in fiscal conservatism and social acceptance.


Voted for Ronald Reagan twice and George H. Bush. Voted for Danforth and Bond for senator. Congress Young for years.

I'm a strong advocate of the 2nd amendment rights. To the right of most on here on Israel. No mercy for freeloaders on the countries dime, for a minimum federal tax. Want a strong defense, believe we should hunt down and kill every single member of AL-Quaeda no matter what country/state they are in. Yet, I'm labeled a communist liberal sucking at the tit of Obama.
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I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:11 PM   #563
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Personally, I don't believe in a guy who openly states he's for redistribution. It's never created growth and it never will. And growing the economy is the last, best, chance to get out of this mess.
He hasn't just openly stated it, he has legislated it.

What do you think the Healthcare law is really about?
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:16 PM   #564
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Voted for Ronald Reagan twice and George H. Bush. Voted for Danforth and Bond for senator. Congress Young for years.

I'm a strong advocate of the 2nd amendment rights. To the right of most on here on Israel. No mercy for freeloaders on the countries dime, for a minimum federal tax. Want a strong defense, believe we should hunt down and kill every single member of AL-Quaeda no matter what country/state they are in. Yet, I'm labeled a communist liberal sucking at the tit of Obama.
I'm with you on all accounts (although I'm not sure if I'm to the right of most on Israel, but definitely a strong support. Too many close, lifelong Jewish friends to not support them).

I'm for immigration reform and don't "hate" the idea of the Dream Act or the recent EO for people born to illegals in the U.S. I support Social Security reform but not at the expense of our Seniors that rely on it. I support healthcare reform and believe it should be non-profit.

It's difficult for me to understand all the hatred happening in our country and the extremism on both sides, not to mention the unwillingness to work together.

It's mind-bottling.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:16 PM   #565
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Voted for Ronald Reagan twice and George H. Bush. Voted for Danforth and Bond for senator. Congress Young for years.

I'm a strong advocate of the 2nd amendment rights. To the right of most on here on Israel. No mercy for freeloaders on the countries dime, for a minimum federal tax. Want a strong defense, believe we should hunt down and kill every single member of AL-Quaeda no matter what country/state they are in. Yet, I'm labeled a communist liberal sucking at the tit of Obama.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:17 PM   #566
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What do you think the Healthcare law is really about?
Health Care. Taking care of our fellow Americans. Not allowing them to die without dignity. You know, that sort of thing.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:24 PM   #567
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Obviously, the tax system as it is creates "redistribution of wealth," but government - no matter how well intentioned - is a terrible alternative to the capitalist system in terms of granting "shots."
What year in American history do you consider to represent the best balance between the role of government and the role of free enterprise capitalism in terms of tax and fiscal policy and individual opportunity?
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:25 PM   #568
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I'm with you on all accounts (although I'm not sure if I'm to the right of most on Israel, but definitely a strong support. Too many close, lifelong Jewish friends to not support them).

I'm for immigration reform and don't "hate" the idea of the Dream Act or the recent EO for people born to illegals in the U.S. I support Social Security reform but not at the expense of our Seniors that rely on it. I support healthcare reform and believe it should be non-profit.

It's difficult for me to understand all the hatred happening in our country and the extremism on both sides, not to mention the unwillingness to work together.

It's mind-bottling.
It's the bubble and Fox news. I'm sure that there are many liberals that watch MSNBC but I highly doubt more than a small amount of Obama voters only watch MSNBC. But, I'd bet that the majority of Romney voters get their news from fox news.

They primaried a senator just because he said he didnt have to hate Obama to oppose his policies. another because he said compromise was essential to get things doen in Washington.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:40 PM   #569
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I have never seen so many people upset about somebody just telling it like it is.
But, it is a misleading factoid. The 47% are not freeloaders. I've seen the 1% number thrown around today. That means only 1% of that 47% are actuall freeloaders.

The highest % of that 47% is white males with high school diplomas. Who is that group voting for?

And the vast majority are from red states.
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