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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:05 PM   #586
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What is an example of extremism from the left that has you worried?
Excessive and oppressive taxation, more unnecessary government agencies, more federal handouts, a massive reduction of the military and Second Amendment intrusion.

Look no further than the state of California. We are taxed out the ass, have a massively bloated bureaucracy and personally, I have nothing to show for it. Poor roads and streets, poor police response, horrific public schools and the consistent alienation of corporations. Los Angeles has been bleeding Hollywood films for more than a decade due to taxation, permit expense and more red tape.

I dislike Jerry Brown more than anyone in this forum (and possibly, the world) could even imagine disliking Obama.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:33 PM   #587
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Excessive and oppressive taxation, more unnecessary government agencies, more federal handouts, a massive reduction of the military and Second Amendment intrusion.

Look no further than the state of California. We are taxed out the ass, have a massively bloated bureaucracy and personally, I have nothing to show for it. Poor roads and streets, poor police response, horrific public schools and the consistent alienation of corporations. Los Angeles has been bleeding Hollywood films for more than a decade due to taxation, permit expense and more red tape.

I dislike Jerry Brown more than anyone in this forum (and possibly, the world) could even imagine disliking Obama.
It's why all you avacado eating Californians keep moving here and driving up prices in downtown Austin!
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:39 PM   #588
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It's why all you avacado eating Californians keep moving here and driving up prices in downtown Austin!

Isn't the population there approaching two million?

And yes, avocados rule!

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Old 09-18-2012, 07:39 PM   #589
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But, it is a misleading factoid. The 47% are not freeloaders. I've seen the 1% number thrown around today. That means only 1% of that 47% are actuall freeloaders.

The highest % of that 47% is white males with high school diplomas. Who is that group voting for?

And the vast majority are from red states.
What is a "freeloader" and when did Romney say anything about them?
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:53 PM   #590
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Excessive and oppressive taxation, more unnecessary government agencies, more federal handouts, a massive reduction of the military and Second Amendment intrusion.

Look no further than the state of California. We are taxed out the ass, have a massively bloated bureaucracy and personally, I have nothing to show for it. Poor roads and streets, poor police response, horrific public schools and the consistent alienation of corporations. Los Angeles has been bleeding Hollywood films for more than a decade due to taxation, permit expense and more red tape.

I dislike Jerry Brown more than anyone in this forum (and possibly, the world) could even imagine disliking Obama.
I think you may have a case regarding California state law since they generally have democratic majorities. but the current federal tax rates are pretty close to as low as they have ever been in spite of the fact that we have had troops deployed to foreign battlefields without paying for it with any kind of tax increase.

Reduction of the military? Could you please explain that complaint to me? What has been reduced that you have a problem with?

Regarding your complaint about the second amendment, Could you explain that? There was no supreme court recognition of second amendment rights until recently. The only laws invalidated were complete and total bans by municipalities, DC and Chicago, whose laws were on the books since the 1970's, IIRC. Federally, the assault weapons bans expired and there have been no new laws passed in about the last 15 years limited who can possess a firearm. I think the last federal restriction was a ban on possession for people under a domestic violence restraining order or prior conviction of a domestic violence misdemeanor.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:13 PM   #591
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Some of you people are ****ing ridiculous. There is NOTHING in his remarks that he hasn't pretty much said already. This is all about it being a "hidden" video and the false idea that this is some super secret info that has leaked.

What a ****ing joke our media has become.
"I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives."

That single line summed up why Mitt Romney is a c**t. He makes this blanket statement about the entire 47% that do not pay income taxes. I know I am repeating myself but that list includes active duty soldiers in combat zones, full-time students, retirees making less than x dollar amount in SS and the working poor to name a few. That single line shows that he doesn't understand that people go through hardships and that not everyone that is down on their luck is there because of laziness. He was just being a scumbag millionaire douchenozzle speaking to a room full of scumbag millionaire douchenozzles.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:18 PM   #592
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"I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives."

That single line summed up why Mitt Romney is a c**t. He makes this blanket statement about the entire 47% that do not pay income taxes. I know I am repeating myself but that list includes active duty soldiers in combat zones, full-time students, retirees making less than x dollar amount in SS and the working poor to name a few. That single line shows that he doesn't understand that people go through hardships and that not everyone that is down on their luck is there because of laziness. He was just being a scumbag millionaire douchenozzle speaking to a room full of scumbag millionaire douchenozzles.
And the irony is that the majority of those 47% are whlte males with only a high school diploma, a Romney core group and most live in red states. He's really dissing his own voters.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:19 PM   #593
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He makes this blanket statement about the entire 47% that do not pay income taxes. I know I am repeating myself but that list includes active duty soldiers in combat zones, full-time students, retirees making less than x dollar amount in SS and the working poor to name a few.
And he has specifically stated he wasn't talking about those people. And yes, that makes the 47% number likely wrong, but it was an informal speech off the cuff.. anyone with half a ****ing brain knows EXACTLY who he is talking about and it's not retirees or military. Disagree with him about THAT.. but don't try to push some bullshit idea that Romney hates old people and the military. It's crap and you and everyone else know it.
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And the irony is that the majority of those 47% are whlte males with only a high school diploma, a Romney core group and most live in red states.
BAD MATH ALERT... WRONG! The majority is white, you got that part right. (I think, I'd have to check to be sure) Do you want to bet that over 50% of the "47%" are white males? Seriously?
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"I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives."

That single line summed up why Mitt Romney is a c**t. He makes this blanket statement about the entire 47% that do not pay income taxes. I know I am repeating myself but that list includes active duty soldiers in combat zones, full-time students, retirees making less than x dollar amount in SS and the working poor to name a few. That single line shows that he doesn't understand that people go through hardships and that not everyone that is down on their luck is there because of laziness. He was just being a scumbag millionaire douchenozzle speaking to a room full of scumbag millionaire douchenozzles.
He's making a blanket statement about the people who fit his entire description, not just the 47% part of it. Obviously the numbers don't all add up, but like with Obama's 57 states comment, that's not really the point.

You clearly aren't an objective observer given your traumatic childhood and all.
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BAD MATH ALERT... WRONG! The majority is white, you got that part right. (I think, I'd have to check to be sure) Do you want to bet that over 50% of the "47%" are white males? Seriously?
I wasn't saying they were the majority group as in 23% of the total %. But the highest % of Female/Male/Black/White/Asian/Latino etc, not they were 23% of the total group but that the white male was the largest gender/race group represented in the 47%.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:48 PM   #597
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And he has specifically stated he wasn't talking about those people. And yes, that makes the 47% number likely wrong, but it was an informal speech off the cuff.. anyone with half a ****ing brain knows EXACTLY who he is talking about and it's not retirees or military. Disagree with him about THAT.. but don't try to push some bullshit idea that Romney hates old people and the military. It's crap and you and everyone else know it.
who was he talking about then?
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I wasn't saying they were the majority group as in 23% of the total %. But the highest % of Female/Male/Black/White/Asian/Latino etc, not they were 23% of the total group but that the white male was the largest gender/race group represented in the 47%.
Yes, I know.. but you SAID the majority.. meaning over 23.5%. It doesn't matter if I knew what you meant, it only matters what you said and how I can beat you over the head with it and show that you were wrong and how it must mean you hate the other groups so much that you marginalize them in the percentages.

Has my point been made?
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Yes, I know.. but you SAID the majority.. meaning over 23.5%. It doesn't matter if I knew what you meant, it only matters what you said and how I can beat you over the head with it and show that you were wrong and how it must mean you hate the other groups so much that you marginalize them in the percentages.

Has my point been made?
Having you read the board lately, I'm too stupid to learn. But, I am watching the Sarah Palin in Alaska reality show and having the wife dress up as a mama grizzly to improve my learning ability.
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who was he talking about then?
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are dependent on government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it
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retirees and members of the military and so forth who aren't paying taxes and that's how it should be
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