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Old 09-17-2012, 05:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:00 PM   #601
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Good spin but that is not what he said. If that was true you are maybe talking about 10% of the country if that.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:00 PM   #602
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:03 PM   #603
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Good spin but that is not what he said. If that was true you are maybe talking about 10% of the country if that.
WHAT? That is EXACTLY what he said.. those are his QUOTES!!!

Yes, everyone knows his number is wrong... it isn't 47%.. but I think I proved the point on that a few posts back.

And no it isn't 10%.. you're living in la la land if you think it isn't closer to the 20s.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:09 PM   #604
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are dependent on government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it
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retirees and members of the military and so forth who aren't paying taxes and that's how it should be
I think that if you take out the retirees, SS, elderly, people on disability, military and the people who pay federal, medicare,state taxes that 47% number drops down into the teens, maybe.

Romney was talking about 47% of something. Who was he talking about then?
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:13 PM   #605
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WHAT? That is EXACTLY what he said.. those are his QUOTES!!!

Yes, everyone knows his number is wrong... it isn't 47%.. but I think I proved the point on that a few posts back.

And no it isn't 10%.. you're living in la la land if you think it isn't closer to the 20s.
No he said

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All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
The majority of the people he thinks are dependent on government are the elderly

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Old 09-18-2012, 10:14 PM   #606
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He's making a blanket statement about the people who fit his entire description, not just the 47% part of it. Obviously the numbers don't all add up, but like with Obama's 57 states comment, that's not really the point.

You clearly aren't an objective observer given your traumatic childhood and all.
we're not journalists around here, we don't pretend to be objective observers or we shouldn't if we do...

besides, what fun would a bunch of objective observations be anyway?
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:19 PM   #607
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The majority of the people he thinks are dependent on government are the elderly

So, its less than 1% that are getting a total free ride?

Here is cbsnews fact check of the 47% number.


September 18, 2012 11:46 AM

Fact-checking Romney's "47 percent" comment
  • Updated: 4:00 p.m. ET
(CBS News) In a video unearthed yesterday by Mother Jones, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was captured making some inflammatory comments about people who don't pay income tax in America - the people he says will vote for President Obama "no matter what." Below, CBSNews.com looks into the validity of his controversial statement.

The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

True or false? Much of Romney's statement relies on assumptions about one demographic: The 47 percent of Americans who he says "pay no income tax." So is it true that 47 percent of Americans don't pay income tax? Essentially, yes, according to the the Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. The same data shows, however, that nearly two-thirds of households that paid no income tax did pay payroll taxes. And most people also pay some combination of state, local, sales, gas and property taxes.

In order to assess whether or not, as Romney claims, these non-income tax payers "will vote for the president no matter what," it's helpful to look at a breakdown of who they are. According to 2011 data from the Tax Policy Center, more than half of the filing units not paying income taxes are those with incomes less than $16,812 per year. Nearly a third - 29.2 percent - of those paying no income taxes are tax filers earning between $16,812 and $33,542, and 12.8 percent are those with incomes between $33,542 and $59,486. In other words, the poor are least likely to pay federal income taxes, but many middle-class families are also exempt. Smaller but significant numbers of the higher-income earners are also exempt: The same data shows that in 2011, 78,000 tax filers with incomes between $211,000 and $533,000 paid no income taxes; 24,000 households with incomes of $533,000 to $2.2 million paid no income taxes, and 3,000 tax filers with incomes above $2.2 million paid no income taxes.

Overall, according to the Tax Policy Center, "of the 38 million tax units made nontaxable by the addition of tax expenditures, 44 percent are moved off the tax rolls by elderly tax benefits and another 30 percent by credits for children and the working poor."


Moreover, only 18.1 percent of American households paid neither federal income taxes nor payroll taxes in 2011, says the Tax Policy Center. Of that 18.1 percent, 10.3 percent were elderly and 6.9 percent were non-elderly households earning less than $20,000 year, which include low-income families and students. About one in 20 is non-elderly with income over $20,000.

At least one of the demographics that is less likely to pay income taxes (or income and payroll taxes) tends to vote Republican: In 2008, voters 65 and over voted for Republican nominee John McCain over President Obama 53 percent to 45 percent, an eight-point margin. The latest CBS News/New York Times poll also shows Romney winning the support of these voters nationally: 53 percent of voters 65 and older support Romney and 38 percent support Mr. Obama.

Voters in households with household incomes of less than $30,000 a year tend to favor Mr. Obama, according to the latest CBS News/New York Times poll, with 61 percent supporting the president and 32 percent supporting Romney. The president's margin narrows significantly when only white voters in this income group are sampled: Among white voters earning less than $30,000, 52 percent supported Mr. Obama and 40 percent supported Romney. The race is even tighter when you look at white voters with household incomes under $50,000. Forty-six percent of those voters say they support Mr. Obama, and 47 percent support Romney, according to the latest CBS News/New York Times poll.

Additionally, according to 2008 data from the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, eight of the top 10 states with the lowest income tax liability are Republican-leaning states. The other two are Florida, a battleground state, and New Mexico, which CBS News rates as likely Obama territory.

Jennifer DePinto contributed to this report.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:21 PM   #608
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I think that if you take out the retirees, SS, elderly, people on disability, military and the people who pay federal, medicare,state taxes that 47% number drops down into the teens, maybe.

Romney was talking about 47% of something. Who was he talking about then?
It is obvious what he is talking about if people were honest which this common right wing talking point that half the country doesn't pay income tax. Heck he says it in his quote at the end.

46% of people don't pay income tax it doesn't take a genius to figure it out especially using his own words
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It is obvious what he is talking about if people were honest which this common right wing talking point that half the country doesn't pay income tax. Heck he says it in his quote at the end.

46% of people don't pay income tax it doesn't take a genius to figure it out especially using his own words
them freeloaders who are probably non-white and vote for that Nigerian communist?
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them freeloaders who are probably non-white and vote for that Nigerian communist?
You forgot illegal, Muslim, Manchurian Candidate

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I know I am repeating myself but that list includes active duty soldiers in combat zones, full-time students, retirees making less than x dollar amount in SS and the working poor to name a few.
I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter how many time any of us repeat this, because Republicans just hear 47% and think black people and illegal immigrants.
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Since we are talking about free loaders and not paying taxes maybe it is about time Mittens released 10 years worth of tax returns to see if he is part of the 47%
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Since we are talking about free loaders and not paying taxes maybe it is about time Mittens released 10 years worth of tax returns to see if he is part of the 47%
****. Good point. What if he isn't able to win over his own vote?
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This will end up benefitting Romney because he's going to be asked about it several times over the next few days and that will give him the chance to say exactly what he was talking about in those off-the-cuff remarks. People will find it incredibly reasonable. It will make those who are hyperventilating over this and declaring his candidacy dead look ridiculous.
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