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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:01 PM   #706
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Again, anyone who can read, comprehend it and who doesn't have an agenda should be able to understand that the last sentence of the above quote is the key. He was SPECIFICALLY referring to the people who ARE sucking on the government's tit AND don't pay any income tax. I would agree that the 47% was probably to much of generalization, however.
It is you that are failing on reading comprehension. Again, the first paragraph:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He plainly states 47% are with him (Obama) and are dependent on govt, believe they are victims, blah blah. He further clarifies his point stating that 47% pay no income taxes, then further shows that he is a dickhead by making the worst comment, which states that the 47% don't take responsibility for their own lives. Never once did he attempt to bifurcate that 47% into different segments.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:02 PM   #707
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46% of people in the US don't pay income tax. So it is just a mere coincidence he said 47%?
What has Romney said after all this? If he is really saying that "all the 47% of Americans who pay no income tax also suck on the government tit," then he's wrong (I think, don't know the actual percentage).

It would be hilarious to hear Romney say those words, though.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:12 PM   #708
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What has Romney said after all this? If he is really saying that "all the 47% of Americans who pay no income tax also suck on the government tit," then he's wrong (I think, don't know the actual percentage).

It would be hilarious to hear Romney say those words, though.
I posted the graph earlier in this thread. It is 46%. He said it and it is not some coincidence. He took a shit on half the country including people that support him.

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Old 09-19-2012, 02:15 PM   #709
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I posted the graph earlier in this thread. It is 46%. He said it and he is wrong and shit on half the country including people that support him.

I must be missing something. It seems reasonable to presume that Romney was referring to the 6.9% and incorrectly lumped in the other 40%, no?
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:16 PM   #710
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I must be missing something. It seems reasonable to presume that Romney was referring to the 6.9% and incorrectly lumped in the other 40%, no?
I think you're trying to justify a really bad comment that he made.

Rightly so.

I mean, no potential POTUS could be that dumb, right?
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:17 PM   #711
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Lol. Donger is the most detached poster on the board. His views don't expand further then his bedroom, newspaper and T.V.

It's not even a question worth asking.

I still love ya though, Donger.
This isn't true at all. I remember Donger once having an earnest view about his neighbor's garage.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:18 PM   #712
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I must be missing something. It seems reasonable to presume that Romney was referring to the 6.9% and incorrectly lumped in the other 40%, no?
Its as if you are determined to make the distinction--Mitt's not an asshole, he's just stupid. Hardly seems a distinction worth making.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:20 PM   #713
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I think you're trying to justify a really bad comment that he made.

Rightly so.

I mean, no potential POTUS could be that dumb, right?
I've already said that if he was intentionally lumping in the "non-freeloaders," it was a stupid thing to say as well as being wrong. So, no, I'm not justifying it if that was the case.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:21 PM   #714
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This isn't true at all. I remember Donger once having an earnest view about his neighbor's garage.
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Its as if you are determined to make the distinction--Mitt's not an asshole, he's just stupid. Hardly seems a distinction worth making.
Or, he just spoke poorly. Strange that you neglect to offer that alternative.
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Jesus Jumping Christ on a Pogo Stick, you win the "Completely Missing the Point" award. Soldiers in combat zones do not have to pay federal income tax (which is a great policy), thus is included in the 47% of Americans that don't pay federal income tax. According to Romney's statement, they are in the group that can't be made to be responsible to care for their own lives.

I don't give a shit what Romney meant when he was talking. Execution supersedes intention. Fair or unfair, the person running for POTUS needs to always be mindful of his phrasing and choice of words. As he found out, someone is always listening/watching.
How many soldiers spent all of 2011 in combat zones?

And no, Romney didn't include that small group of people in his comments. You can't force him to mean something different than he actually meant, no matter how much you want to.
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Or, he just spoke poorly. Strange that you neglect to offer that alternative.
Well, he's refused to back down from his comments.

So maybe he meant what he said.

It sucks for Republicans. I don't think this man represents what Republicans preach. He's single handedly sabotaging the Republican Campaign and adding to stereotypes that republicans need to dispel.

He's making it easy on the Dems.

Like i said earlier, all the Dems have to do now is shut up, let this man continue to put his foot in his mouth, sit back and act like the good guy.
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People are feigning great stupidity in their attempts to make Romney's remarks something they aren't. What they are is the truth, minus quibbling over some percentage points.

If they aren't feigning, I really feel sorry for them.
Yeah, I guess so... some of it may be feigned.
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Jesus Jumping Christ on a Pogo Stick, you win the "Completely Missing the Point" award. Soldiers in combat zones do not have to pay federal income tax (which is a great policy), thus is included in the 47% of Americans that don't pay federal income tax. According to Romney's statement, they are in the group that can't be made to be responsible to care for their own lives.

I don't give a shit what Romney meant when he was talking. Execution supersedes intention. Fair or unfair, the person running for POTUS needs to always be mindful of his phrasing and choice of words. As he found out, someone is always listening/watching.
This is the point though. No one in the 47% seems to care that Romney is directly insulting them. They just un-literalize him to really mean he's talking about those people. And we all know who they are (basically whomever we want them to be - just not us - even if he's literally talking about us).
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People are feigning great stupidity in their attempts to make Romney's remarks something they aren't. What they are is the truth, minus quibbling over some percentage points.

If they aren't feigning, I really feel sorry for them.
You call 6.9% vs. 47% 'quibbling'?
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