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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:07 PM   #901
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Speaking of the 47%, interesting OP claiming what Obamacare could do to them

Many of “the 47%” Mitt Romney says “believe the government has a responsibility to care for” will find that ObamaCare’s first and deepest impact will be on those who need health security the most – those who are poorer, sicker, and older.

This may come as a surprise since Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius claimed at the Democratic convention that “no matter who you are, what stage of life you're in, this law is a good thing.”

How can it be that ObamaCare will harm the most vulnerable? The law calls for spending $2.6 trillion over the next 10 years to provide health insurance to as many as 30 million more people. But the law is so contrary to our economy and culture that millions of people will find access to medical care will be harder than before the law passed.

The poor: The health overhaul law will make it more difficult for lower-income Americans enrolled in Medicaid to get care by overloading the program. The sickest of those on Medicaid today will have an even harder time finding a physician to see them.

Medicaid recipients have a paper promise a long and very comprehensive list of medical services. But because Medicaid pays doctors so little, patients find it hard to find a doctor – especially a specialist – who can afford to take additional patients. That forces too many patients into hospital emergency rooms where, if they wait long enough, they will eventually be seen. They know all too well that there is big difference between having “coverage” and actual access to “care.”

Instead of reforming Medicaid, the Obama administration is encouraging states to add as many as 16 million more people, crushing those already enrolled beneath a mountain of new enrollees and bringing total Medicaid enrollment to nearly 85 million in 2020.

And a physician shortage is looming. The Physicians Foundation surveyed doctors and found that 60% said that the new law will force them to close or restrict certain categories of patients. Of those, 93% said they will stop seeing or restrict the number of Medicaid patients they see, and 87% will close or restrict their Medicare practice.

Seniors: More than 11 million seniors have selected the popular Medicare Advantage plans, and many are at risk of losing their coverage because of ObamaCare’s $156 billion in cuts to the program. Those attracted to these plans, which provide more comprehensive medical coverage, are disproportionately lower-income and minorities who do not have the resources for expensive Medigap insurance or access to supplemental retiree coverage from their previous jobs.

And all seniors will have a more difficult time finding a physician because of the $716 billion in cuts that the health law makes to Medicare. Medicare is being used as a piggybank to pay for a massive expansion of entitlement programs. And the Independent Payment Advisory Board will be ready to ration future care.

Seniors are rightly worried about this rationing of care and finding a doctor who will take Medicare patients. How good is a Medicare card if physicians’ offices are closed, sold to the nearest hospital, or bankrupt, as Medicare actuaries predict many will be if ObamaCare’s cuts take effect?

Further, the scores of new government agencies that will be directing the practice of medicine already are setting up perverse incentives for physicians to avoid the sickest patients who are likely to need more services and cost the most. But doctors will be penalized financially under the “Physician Value-Based Payment Modifier” if their practice costs exceed a government-set threshold.

Children: Parents and grandparents of children in 17 states can no longer access child-only policies after HHS rules destroyed the market for health insurers. Insurers have pulled out of these markets, saying they would face “adverse selection” because the HHS rule destroys the basis for shared insurance against risk. One of the provisions of the health law that the Obama administration touts most enthusiastically is the requirement that employers who offer dependent coverage allow employees to add their 26 year old “children” to their policies. It is highly ironic, then, this other rule is causing huge losses of coverage among children whose parents or guardians were buying health insurance policies for them on their own.

The list can, and does, go on:
One-third of businesses say they may drop insurance, causing families with good coverage today to lose it. McKinsey and Co. estimates that as many as 80 million people could lose the coverage they have now and be forced to get other policies that conform with ObamaCare rules. The Obama administration’s own estimates say that 51 to 80% of those with coverage could be forced to switch plans to comply with the law's new mandates.

Dependents who are on a bread-winner’s policy today could lose their coverage and not be eligible to get insurance through the new exchanges because of IRS rules interpreting whether care is “affordable” to workers.

Lower-income workers are at risk of losing their jobs or at least their full-time employment. ObamaCare is forcing many employers, especially in the retail and hospitality industries, to restructure their businesses to avoid ObamaCare fines for not providing government-approved health insurance by shifting their workforces to part time. Many say they have no choice since the ObamaCare fines alone would consume their entire profit margins.

And after all of the taxing and spending, 30 million more people will remain uninsured.

The evidence shows that the most vulnerable citizens will be harmed first in this massive expansion and restructuring of our health sector. Many of the 47% will find they will be worse off after ObamaCare offers its helping hand.

Grace-Marie Turner is president of the Galen Institute, a non-profit research organization specializing in market-based health reform. She is a co-author of Why ObamaCare Is Wrong for America (HarperCollins/Broadside Books, 2011).


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Old 09-29-2012, 02:14 PM   #902
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bah! everybody knows fox news is biased toward obama, just look at their skewed polls!!!1!

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Old 09-29-2012, 02:39 PM   #903
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Oh, and your damn right vote suppression is a valid tactic in this game, it has and will continue to be a tactic as long as there is politics.

Both sides use it.

Don't try to be a Pollyanna.
please enlighten me with some verified examples of Democratic voter suppression of Republicans.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

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Old 09-29-2012, 02:42 PM   #904
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You don't think all these inflated polls are a "vote supression" tactic against the conservatives?
All those polls are independent of each other. The Democratic party is not coordinating all these polls to favor Dems. Just because you dont like the results of the polls doesnt mean that the Dems are cheating.

I understand the mentality, my view is the correct approach, the only reason my view is not the overwhelming choice of all America is that the other side is cheating on a massive scale. It's how you reassure yourself that your views are not wacko or way out on the far edges of society.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:48 PM   #905
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You don't think all these inflated polls are a "vote supression" tactic against the conservatives?
Can you give an example of an "inflated poll"? How are they being inflated exactly?
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:02 PM   #906
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All those polls are independent of each other. The Democratic party is not coordinating all these polls to favor Dems. Just because you dont like the results of the polls doesnt mean that the Dems are cheating.

I understand the mentality, my view is the correct approach, the only reason my view is not the overwhelming choice of all America is that the other side is cheating on a massive scale. It's how you reassure yourself that your views are not wacko or way out on the far edges of society.
enlighten me, what are my views?
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Can you give an example of an "inflated poll"? How are they being inflated exactly?
There have been many articles written about the subject this week. If you are too lazy to look them up in the age of google, then my God you are lazy.
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enlighten me, what are my views?
The impression that I've gotten from your posts today is that voter suppression is okay and the polls are all faked data.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

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Old 09-29-2012, 03:11 PM   #909
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please enlighten me with some verified examples of Democratic voter suppression of Republicans.
I am sure that fair and true media that you tune into, never showed this to you.


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There have been many articles written about the subject this week. If you are too lazy to look them up in the age of google, then my God you are lazy.
You are the one making the claim, you do the research. Burden of proof is not on me to validate your ideas.
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I am sure that fair and true media that you tune into, never showed this to you.


What exactly is that supposed to prove?
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please enlighten me with some verified examples of Democratic voter suppression of Republicans.
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The impression that I've gotten from your posts today is that voter suppression is okay and the polls are all faked data.
I am in favor of ads, that are designed to suppress votes that help my side to win, yes.

The polls are not faked, they are real. However, the output of any model is only as good as the assumptions and weights that are assigned to its coefficients.

That is if you are going to make a reasonable inference from them with any degree of certainty.
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Romney today............... Forget what I said for the previously 17 days.... I was totally wrong.
Smart of him to do it now, in the wake of a strong debate performance.
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