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Old 09-18-2012, 09:07 AM  
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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 11-24-2012, 09:57 AM   #3721
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Good stat breakdown.

But please do not compare stats against Luck. I don't care what the stats say. We should not benchmark what geno did the way he did it vs luck and how he achieved those stats.
True.

Geno has thrown only half of the interceptions that Luck did last season. With two, possibily three NFL level offensive linemen (Schwartzstein will get drafted this year in addition to DeCastro and Martin last year) protecting Luck while Geno has played behind torn cheesecloth.

I apologize about bringing down Geno.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:58 AM   #3722
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Good stat breakdown.

But please do not compare stats against Luck. I don't care what the stats say. We should not benchmark what geno did the way he did it vs luck and how he achieved those stats.
I don't want to diminish what Luck did at Stanford, but the fact is, that Stanford team he played on had far more talent on both sides of the ball.

Geno is doing this behind a terrible O-Line while facing the added pressure of having to make plays constantly to keep up.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:58 AM   #3723
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I don't think it's so much him as his WR's beating their man and just being wide open. A LOT.

No pressure hitting the wide open man.

He won't have that in the NFL.






Well, unless he plays against us...
You know, that's a pretty interesting thought.

I'm reminded of all the .gif things that have been posted on ChiefsPlanet designed to illustrate the total incompetence and utter stupidity of Coswell under center.

In most of those .gif things, you can see open guys ... a lot of the time those guys are extremely open. Wide open. Opener than Herm's skull space. Opener than the gates of Hell after Dr. Evil kicks the bucket. Opener even than Rosie O'Donuts after 7 vodka shooters.

Once he gets the hang of the playbook and reading NFL defenses, he could be deadly. Who knows? We might even score a touchdown.

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Old 11-24-2012, 10:00 AM   #3724
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True.

Geno has thrown only half of the interceptions that Luck did last season. With two, possibily three NFL level offensive linemen (Schwartzstein will get drafted this year in addition to DeCastro and Martin last year) protecting Luck while Geno has played behind torn cheesecloth.

I apologize about bringing down Geno.
Please. Stop. Geno smith is not even close to the prospect Andrew luck was. Don't dilute the fight for the guy with this kind of irrational argument.
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What? He hasn't even done more with less this year. Wilson lost three of his best four WRs to the draft and then lost his HC. He's in the same situation as Drew Brees and some would argue he has faired better.
A cheesecloth O-Line (to borrow from sac) and a defense that couldn't stop you from scoring a booger from your nose.
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What? He hasn't even done more with less this year. Wilson lost three of his best four WRs to the draft and then lost his HC. He's in the same situation as Drew Brees and some would argue he has faired better.
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I don't want to diminish what Luck did at Stanford, but the fact is, that Stanford team he played on had far more talent on both sides of the ball.

Geno is doing this behind a terrible O-Line while facing the added pressure of having to make plays constantly to keep up.
I get that. But we are comparing geno to an ideal qb prospect. There wasn't a single blemish on lucks scouting report. And luck was about as nfl ready not just in terms of running an offense, but managing an offense pre snap as we've seen probably since Peyton.

So again... I really don't care about stats as much as I do with how they achieved that. I'm not going to bag on a guy who didn't put up spread like numbers in a very pro style college offense.
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Please. Stop. Geno smith is not even close to the prospect Andrew luck was. Don't dilute the fight for the guy with this kind of irrational argument.
*shrugs*

I'm just looking at the numbers, what they both had to work with, the teams they've gone against...

Geno is very, very close to Luck number wise and, as has been stated by myself and Milk, he has a substandard supporting cast in comparison.

But if you want to do a Warren Moon on Geno, be my guest.
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*shrugs*

I'm just looking at the numbers, what they both had to work with, the teams they've gone against...

Geno is very, very close to Luck number wise and, as has been stated by myself and Milk, he has a substandard supporting cast in comparison.

But if you want to do a Warren Moon on Geno, be my guest.
Luck excelled in an offense he ran like Peyton manning. I don't care about supporting cast. I doubt geno would have had any kind of success in the offense luck was asked to run. That's not a knock on geno. We shouldn't compare geno to a qb prospect who was probably the best pure prospect since Peyton manning.

Again, any time we try to use Luck in these conversations, we look irrational.
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I agree wholeheartedly.

He's done more with less than any top prospect in the last 10 years or more.
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*shrugs*

I'm just looking at the numbers, what they both had to work with, the teams they've gone against...

Geno is very, very close to Luck number wise and, as has been stated by myself and Milk, he has a substandard supporting cast in comparison.

But if you want to do a Warren Moon on Geno, be my guest.
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Luck excelled in an offense he ran like Peyton manning. I don't care about supporting cast. I doubt geno would have had any kind of success in the offense luck was asked to run. That's not a knock on geno. We shouldn't compare geno to a qb prospect who was probably the best pure prospect since Peyton manning.

Again, any time we try to use Luck in these conversations, we look irrational.
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Luck excelled in an offense he ran like Peyton manning. I don't care about supporting cast. I doubt geno would have had any kind of success in the offense luck was asked to run. That's not a knock on geno. We shouldn't compare geno to a qb prospect who was probably the best pure prospect since Peyton manning.

Again, any time we try to use Luck in these conversations, we look irrational.
Peyton Manning wasn't the "best pure prospect" people think. Questions about his ability to win the big games, arm strength, mobility, etc. Roughly half the league thought Leaf was the better prospect.

The last time that anyone got the amount of hype that Luck did last year was with Elway.

And to say that Geno wouldn't have had success in a pro style set like Stanford ran with three NFL level linemen protecting him as well as a top 20 defense covering his ass is, redundantly, assinine.

Geno played in a pro-style set in 2010 as a sophomore and put up excellent numbers.

You are seriously giving Geno the Warren Moon treatment right now and that's a little embarassing in this day and age.
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Peyton Manning wasn't the "best pure prospect" people think. Questions about his ability to win the big games, arm strength, mobility, etc. Roughly half the league thought Leaf was the better prospect.

The last time that anyone got the amount of hype that Luck did last year was with Elway.

And to say that Geno wouldn't have had success in a pro style set like Stanford ran with three NFL level linemen protecting him as well as a top 20 defense covering his ass is, redundantly, assinine.

Geno played in a pro-style set in 2010 as a sophomore and put up excellent numbers.

You are seriously giving Geno the Warren Moon treatment right now and that's a little embarassing in this day and age.
Luck was hyped because there wasnt a blemish. Perfect technique, good arm strengTh, phenomenal accuracy, phenomenal pocket awareness, good mobility. Add in that he ran a pro offense. Add in that when he ran a pro offense, he was making pre snap reads and quick decisions more surgically than many nfl qbs. So please... Stop with the ridiculous bullshit that Genos sophomore season in a pro offense and his success later in a spread remotely compares to Lucks. It's embarrassing. Luck wasn't hype. He was the real deal. Geno isn't even close to lucks level as a prospect, but then, nobody in the last ten years was even close either.

I don't know what you're implying with the warren moon example. I sure hope it's not what I think you are.
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Luck was hyped because there wasnt a blemish. Perfect technique, good arm strengTh, phenomenal accuracy, phenomenal pocket awareness, good mobility. Add in that he ran a pro offense. Add in that when he ran a pro offense, he was making pre snap reads and quick decisions more surgically than many nfl qbs. So please... Stop with the ridiculous bullshit that Genos sophomore season in a pro offense and his success later in a spread remotely compares to Lucks. It's embarrassing. Luck wasn't hype. He was the real deal. Geno isn't even close to lucks level as a prospect, but then, nobody in the last ten years was even close either.

I don't know what you're implying with the warren moon example. I sure hope it's not what I think you are.
Apples and Oranges. Strawman argument.

Luck played where Luck played.

Should Geno have transfered to Stanford or USC (two of the last vestiges of a "pro style set" in college football)?

It is what it is, and I'm just letting you know that Smith has reps, a full season of starting and putting up excellent numbers, in a true pro style set. He's got the accuracy, the pocket presence, perfect release, great arm, great velocity to all points on the field, etc.

You are making the argument for Luck last season with the exact same attributes that make Geno an excellent QB prospect this season. He's putting up near identical numbers with a substantially lesser supporting cast.

Geno Smith, at least in my opinion, is as good a QB prospect as I've seen outside of a guy named Luck in the past 10/15 years. And he's not as far away from Luck as you are envisioning. They've got a lot of the same tools and qualities.
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