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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 12-15-2012, 01:10 AM   #5251
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As far as antsy goes, I'm not a fan of Geno's happy feet. IMO Geno gets happy feet more than Glennon does. He does this awkward chopping and shuffling thing with his feet, but doesn't always get them planted correctly. The funny thing is, even when he's off balance, he still completes a good portion of his intermediate throws. If he can calm down a little, it could go a long way.
He still manages to throw absolute strikes even off balance. Give him time with an NFL coach to strengthen his footwork and the sky is the limit for Geno.
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:12 AM   #5253
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Stop saying "D2 wide receivers who drop the ball a lot," RunKC. I watch a shitton of D2 football, and it isn't like the receivers at that level are drop machines. Far from it.
Not at all, but I have no ****ing idea how number 80 for NC State is playing in D1. The dude is a complete dropfest.
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I really do love the capabilities of Geno. I just hate how his talent is being wasted in that system. Throwing quick screens to Tavon Austin all day doesn't show off the talent. Although he's damn good at hitting a stationary target. Matt Cassel would be sailing those things into the bleachers.
I can't wait until next year when West Virginia will be without not only Geno Smith but also Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, AND JD Woods. Holgorson's offense is going to look uglier and fatter than an ice-skating hippo. I think people will then realize that the version that he runs is predicated on talent more than anything. That contrary to popular belief, it's NOT a system that can plug in average ****s like Mike Leach did all the time and still have success.

Holgorson's offense uses some elements of Leach's timing spread. It's far from the same, though. People don't get this, though, and just say, "Golly, Geno's such a ****ing spreadtard I don't want any part of him."

In any case, at least there are plays that allow Geno Smith to show off his arm strength and downfield capabilities. That's far more (and better) information that we have to go off of than we got from Ryan Tannehill last year. If you'll remember, Tannehill was criticized because he never threw downfield... only screens. Some of those were play designs, but a lot of them were dumpoffs because Tannehill couldn't find the open guy down the field.
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I just want to draft a damn qb in the first round, because I want to root for my team again. I'm sick of sucking for luck and gargling for Geno.
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He still manages to throw absolute strikes even off balance. Give him time with an NFL coach to strengthen his footwork and the sky is the limit for Geno.
I agree.

That's why I'd rather have him than Glennon, Wilson, or anybody else for that matter.

And it's not that I believe Geno is a total project. Cause the #1 overall pick should never be a project. But I think if you plugged him into the NFL right now, he'd be average. Give him the right system, and coach to work with him, and I think he'd be great.
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As far as antsy goes, I'm not a fan of Geno's happy feet. IMO Geno gets happy feet more than Glennon does. He does this awkward chopping and shuffling thing with his feet, but doesn't always get them planted correctly. The funny thing is, even when he's off balance, he still completes a good portion of his intermediate throws. If he can calm down a little, it could go a long way.
I chalk that up to footwork more than anything. Even then, I don't find that to be a problem at all.

When I say antsy, I mean can't ****ing do your goddamn ****ing job under pressure. Geno completes throws when he knows he's going to get hit. Glennon does not.
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I can't wait until next year when West Virginia will be without not only Geno Smith but also Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, AND JD Woods. Holgorson's offense is going to look uglier and fatter than an ice-skating hippo. I think people will then realize that the version that he runs is predicated on talent more than anything. That contrary to popular belief, it's NOT a system that can plug in average ****s like Mike Leach did all the time and still have success.

Holgorson's offense uses some elements of Leach's timing spread. It's far from the same, though. People don't get this, though, and just say, "Golly, Geno's such a ****ing spreadtard I don't want any part of him."

In any case, at least there are plays that allow Geno Smith to show off his arm strength and downfield capabilities. That's far more (and better) information that we have to go off of than we got from Ryan Tannehill last year. If you'll remember, Tannehill was criticized because he never threw downfield... only screens. Some of those were play designs, but a lot of them were dumpoffs because Tannehill couldn't find the open guy down the field.
Anyone who has sat and watched him play should be able to see the ability he has regardless of the offense he's running.
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I haven't gotten a chance to watch all of Barkley yet. I'll get there soon... But if you want to talk about captain checkdown, then Tyler Wilson is your guy. He rarely throws beyond 20 yards.

You'll see it maybe 5 times a game. The other 30 attempts or so will be checkdowns to the runningback, and hitting receivers on shallow crosses at the LOS.

The thing I DO like about Wilson is that he's used to making throws from strange angles and positions. His feet are almost never set correctly, and he moves around a lot like Jay Cutler. But if a guy can still be accurate while throwing off balance, and with defenders in your face, I have to admire that in a QB. Wilson takes a beating each and every game. That O-line is a disaster. But I really fail to see any kind of special factor with Wilson. I think he could be a below average starter. Or a decent back up in the NFL. Really not much more.
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I chalk that up to footwork more than anything. Even then, I don't find that to be a problem at all.

When I say antsy, I mean can't ****ing do your goddamn ****ing job under pressure. Geno completes throws when he knows he's going to get hit. Glennon does not.
He makes Cassel reads is what kills me, he's going to throw at an area of the field no matter the coverage.
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I can't wait until next year when West Virginia will be without not only Geno Smith but also Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, AND JD Woods. Holgorson's offense is going to look uglier and fatter than an ice-skating hippo. I think people will then realize that the version that he runs is predicated on talent more than anything. That contrary to popular belief, it's NOT a system that can plug in average ****s like Mike Leach did all the time and still have success.

Holgorson's offense uses some elements of Leach's timing spread. It's far from the same, though. People don't get this, though, and just say, "Golly, Geno's such a ****ing spreadtard I don't want any part of him."

In any case, at least there are plays that allow Geno Smith to show off his arm strength and downfield capabilities. That's far more (and better) information that we have to go off of than we got from Ryan Tannehill last year. If you'll remember, Tannehill was criticized because he never threw downfield... only screens. Some of those were play designs, but a lot of them were dumpoffs because Tannehill couldn't find the open guy down the field.
Nearly every offense incorporates concepts for the AirRaid such as mesh, shallow cross, smash, etc.

Holgerson places different primaries on his progressions, which is why you might see different results IMO.
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Geno should be our pick still IMO. We need to work him into our new system, whichever that may be. We can't run that stupid ****ing Holgorsen spread in KC. Geno would be a perfect WCO QB IMO. Running a variation of the WCO mixed with a bit of spread would be perfect.

But on a side note, I think the criticism of Mike Glennon is too much. He led a game winning touchdown drive against a top 5 defense in the FBS. Although he played conservative in that game, he loves to stretch the field. He plays under center quite a bit, and sells the play action pretty well.

His intermediate passes are usually pretty accurate, and he's not afraid to take chances downfield unless he's playing Florida State. His pocket awareness needs improvement, as he has been stripped a few times, but Geno is actually one of the worst about getting strip-sacked in the pocket.

Glennon is a late to mid first round guy in my opinion. He's a goofy lookin mother ****er. But I'd rather judge what he looks like with a helmet and pads on. He has some supreme potential.

I still would rather take Geno though. But we better work with him.
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I haven't gotten a chance to watch all of Barkley yet. I'll get there soon... But if you want to talk about captain checkdown, then Tyler Wilson is your guy. He rarely throws beyond 20 yards.

You'll see it maybe 5 times a game. The other 30 attempts or so will be checkdowns to the runningback, and hitting receivers on shallow crosses at the LOS.

The thing I DO like about Wilson is that he's used to making throws from strange angles and positions. His feet are almost never set correctly, and he moves around a lot like Jay Cutler. But if a guy can still be accurate while throwing off balance, and with defenders in your face, I have to admire that in a QB. Wilson takes a beating each and every game. That O-line is a disaster. But I really fail to see any kind of special factor with Wilson. I think he could be a below average starter. Or a decent back up in the NFL. Really not much more.
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I agree.

That's why I'd rather have him than Glennon, Wilson, or anybody else for that matter.

And it's not that I believe Geno is a total project. Cause the #1 overall pick should never be a project. But I think if you plugged him into the NFL right now, he'd be average. Give him the right system, and coach to work with him, and I think he'd be great.
I think Geno is going to be a ****ing rock star from day one.

And I think you are being a little too critical of his feet. He doesn't have happy feet. He's moving them to keep them under his shoulders. Yes, he could plant better, but he does quickly plant and throw a lot and that's the reason for his movement. It's also a reason for his accute pocket awareness and quick mobility in the pocket. It's also a reason for his accuracy levels as he's actually planting, albeit very quickly, and throwing.

If you watch Geno, he's got an insanely fast release and his feet and planting are geared towards that. He's not just slinging the ball off his front foot on the move a la Brett Favre.

If you want to see "happy feet" from a high level NFL QB prospect, go watch Mark Sanchez at USC. That's happy feet. Geno doesn't have happy feet.
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And I'll say it again, the release is the key.

Brady and Manning may be the two most un-athletic QB's in the league, but they've got two of the quickest releases I've ever seen.

Geno has that. The ball absolutely bursts off his hand. Goes from zero to receiver as quick as I've ever seen at the college level. The NFL is all about speed. Geno has minimal windup and the ball immediately leaves his hand at a high apex with amazing controlled velocity. Honestly, it's the best I can remember from a college quarterback in the past 15 or 20 years.
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