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Old 09-18-2012, 09:07 AM  
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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 01-10-2013, 04:56 PM   #8986
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Gabbert was as good a prospect as Smith, probably a better one.

He's a better athlete and has a stronger arm. And yes, he was an absolute football junkie. Came from a football family; a gym rat and a very good leader. He truly was an excellent prospect. What he also had was extremely poor footwork and a tendency to stare at the rush.

He had so many skills that weren't coachable and his flaws all seemed like they were. Unfortunately, he just hasn't progressed a single bit. I'd still give up our 5th for him and possibly even our 4th. I think there's a lot of talent there and a good QB coach (and more QB-friendly system) could do wonders for him.

But just as he had coming out, there's an incredibly steep learning curve for him. He has a lot of work to do on learning progressions and seeing coverages.

If he can't, he's probably destined to be the next Rob Johnson; just another QB with excellent physical skills (that ironically, Jacksonville drafted and !@#$ed up) that never puts it all together.
He went to about as poor of a situation as possible for him. Shit team and organization and forced to play right away. No matter what team drafted him, he needed to sit for a year. Given how young he is, he's still a viable reclamation project.

Gladly throw a 4th at him, and this would probably get the deal done.
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He went to about as poor of a situation as possible for him. Shit team and organization and forced to play right away. No matter what team drafted him, he needed to sit for a year. Given how young he is, he's still a viable reclamation project.

Gladly throw a 4th at him, and this would probably get the deal done.
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Perhaps so. Physically, I thought he was simply a tremendous prospect, and he's shown some flashes in the league but has been obviously far too inconsistent.

Given his age and inexperience, he could be salvaged. But, if a team acquires him and saves him from that dumpster fire of an organization, he cannot be the only option because it could be that he'll never develop as hoped.
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Gabbert was as good a prospect as Smith, probably a better one.

He's a better athlete and has a stronger arm. And yes, he was an absolute football junkie. Came from a football family; a gym rat and a very good leader. He truly was an excellent prospect. What he also had was extremely poor footwork and a tendency to stare at the rush.

He had so many skills that weren't coachable and his flaws all seemed like they were. Unfortunately, he just hasn't progressed a single bit. I'd still give up our 5th for him and possibly even our 4th. I think there's a lot of talent there and a good QB coach (and more QB-friendly system) could do wonders for him.

But just as he had coming out, there's an incredibly steep learning curve for him. He has a lot of work to do on learning progressions and seeing coverages.

If he can't, he's probably destined to be the next Rob Johnson; just another QB with excellent physical skills (that ironically, Jacksonville drafted and !@#$ed up) that never puts it all together.
I liked Gabbert, and thought he would be a decent late-first project pick (similar to how I saw Mark Sanchez and Ryan Tannehill) but he wasn't to me anything close to the prospect that Smith is. Gabbert needed another year in school whereas Smith is someone that I would expect to see on the field sooner rather than later.

Junior signal-callers leaving early is always a concern in my book. Two years (or less) is just not enough time. And I do think that's nearly as important a facet as physical tools (although obviously talking about #1 picks, that's key as well...).
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Geno Smith: A Tale in Accuracy
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I’m not going to sit here and say that I can predict the future, because I can’t. But I’m pretty sure what the talk on AP will be about for roughly the next three months. There will be an endless discussion (which will end in 3 months) on what the Chiefs are going to do with the number 1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft. While perusing through the limitless comments on AP, one voice prevails through the masses. That voice says, "Draft Geno Smith."

The numbers are impressive. In his career, Mr. Smith threw for 11,662 yards, tallied up 98 touchdowns to only 21 interceptions, and completed 67% of the passes that left his hand. But, many believe those impressive stats are a result of the system he played in. Short screen passes and two explosive receivers that warrant draft talk of their own undoubtedly could inflate any QBs success.

After going through the AP scouting process (YouTube), many can form their own opinion of what they like and don’t like. Depending on the observer, things like arm strength, footwork, poise, accuracy, release, and pocket awareness can all be discerned from prospect to prospect. Opinions are formed and debates ensue on exactly what each prospect can offer.

It was my attempt, in this post, to stray from this type of analysis. I wanted something more objective. You can show 10 different people tape of Geno throwing the ball and you will get 10 different opinions. Some may be similar, but all will vary in one degree or another.

Specifically, I wanted to tackle the debate on Geno’s accuracy. As stated earlier in the post, Geno has a very impressive career completion percentage, one that he was able to increase every year as a starter. Also stated earlier, this percentage is said to be due, in large part, to the short and "easy" passes that he was asked to make.

To explore this idea, I observed 8 games from Geno’s 2012 campaign. Those games were Texas, Texas Tech, Maryland, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Iowa State, and Kansas. I used the YouTube videos of Geno Smith vs. insert opponent here in my research. The goal of this research was relatively simple. One comment in particular sparked the idea when a user stated that, "90% of his passes were screen passes." Well AP, were they?

I present the following chart:



As I watched the games, I charted where each completion and incompletion were in regard to the line of scrimmage. It didn’t matter where the receiver ended up, all that mattered is where he caught it or attempted to catch it. After completing 8 games and 300 throws, I felt I had an adequate and representative sample size.

The double lines running down the middle of the chart can pretty much be thought of as the hash marks on a football field. With the exception, for example, that sometimes the ball can be located on the right hash pre-snap and a pass will be completed with the receiver going over the middle. The receiver might catch it outside of the hash marks, but for all intents and purposes it was a pass over the middle. I thought this better represented the types of throws that he was either missing or hitting.

The “NLOS” (Near Line of Scrimmage) is any pass that is generally within 3 yards of the LOS (i.e. screens, swing passes, and maybe a few shallow drag routes). The “4 to 9” section refers to passes that were completed/attempted within 4 to 9 yards of the line of scrimmage (usually outs, ins, and slants). The farther up the chart you go, the farther the passes were from the LOS. From there, I think most get the idea.

To give an example on how to read the chart, the bottom left section describes that Geno completed 41 of 46 passes (89.1%) that were directed to his left and were near the line of scrimmage. The far right column gives totals for each “level.”

Interesting Notes:

Feel free to take all of the screens away from Geno’s game. He completed 131 out of 213 passes that were 4+ yards past the LOS for a completion percentage of 61.5%.
28% of his pass attempts were NLOS, 33% were from the 4-9 range, and 24% were from 10-20 yards past the LOS.
36% of his pass completions were NLOS (not quite 90%), 32% were from the 4-9 range, and 23% were from 10-20 yards past the LOS.
42% of his passes were directed to the left side of the field.
Geno completed 18 out of 43 passes (42%) that were 21+ yards past the LOS.
Geno is deadly accurate over the middle, check out that middle column. He had 6 of 9 passes that were 31+ yards down field completed, impressive. Geno’s completion percentages in the left, middle, and right were 70%, 72%, and 66% respectively.
Cause for concern? Completing 10/21 for a 48% completion percentage on passes that were 10 – 20 yards downfield and on the right side of the field.
Reason for optimism? Completing 19/28 for a 68% completion percentage on passes that were 10 – 20 yards downfield and on the left side of the field.
These last two notes were of particular importance to myself when doing this evaluation. NFL quarterbacks are separated by what they can do 10 to 20 yards downfield and outside the numbers. I’ll give you a math problem. How far does a ball travel from a quarterback that drops back 5 yards from the LOS, throws it halfway across a football field that is 53 yards wide, and the ball travels 15 yards past the LOS? My buddy, Pythagoras, told me that 15 yard completion is actually about a 33 yard pass. Is he right?

The overall results of the research seem promising. Initially, I defined 15 parts of the field. I had 5 levels of the defense separated by 3 sections. Through my evaluation, Geno was able to effectively attack each of these 15 parts. Not all equally, but he made the defense account for the whole field. Do the screens inflate his completion percentage? Yes, but those passes are hardly a given… cough*Matt Cassel to Eric Weddle*cough. The percentage of those he completes is beyond impressive by itself (88%). And those passes can travel around 20 yards in the air, at times. The only way those plays work are to get the ball there very quickly and very accurately, which Geno does nearly robotically.

I was a Geno Smith fan before I put this together, and this did nothing but confirm my thoughts on him. I have nothing to compare these numbers to, so I’m thinking about doing a similar evaluation on a couple of the other quarterback prospects. In the end, I hope people find this interesting and can find a way to use this information in their own evaluations. Go Chiefs.
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Breezed through Geno Smith's game vs. Texas Tech and part of KSU. It's confirming some things and loosening my stance on others.

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Geno has had MUCH better pocket presence in these games than vs. Texas. His footwork is cleaner and his stance is taller.

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Geno's deep throws are ok, but they're not particularly a strength. The trajectory is too high on some for my liking.

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Geno still locks onto one receiver a lot. He has to fix that or NFL defenses will eat him alive.

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I could see some team falling in love with Geno's accuracy. Maybe even enough to move up to get him.
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Breezed through Geno Smith's game vs. Texas Tech and part of KSU. It's confirming some things and loosening my stance on others.

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Geno has had MUCH better pocket presence in these games than vs. Texas. His footwork is cleaner and his stance is taller.

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Geno's deep throws are ok, but they're not particularly a strength. The trajectory is too high on some for my liking.

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Geno still locks onto one receiver a lot. He has to fix that or NFL defenses will eat him alive.

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I could see some team falling in love with Geno's accuracy. Maybe even enough to move up to get him.
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