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Old 09-20-2012, 11:03 AM  
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Senate Republicans Kill Veterans’ Jobs Bill

By Ben Armbruster on Sep 19, 2012 at 1:42 pm
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Senate Republicans prevented a veterans’ jobs bill from coming to a vote today by forcing a budget point of order vote. Democrats came up 2 votes short of the 60 needed to defeat the GOP’s budget measure.The Veterans Jobs Corps bill — which is part of President Obama’s push to secure jobs for veterans — would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT. The measure would have also provided young vets access to the infrastructure with which to assist in job searches, such as access to computers, internet and career services advisers.

The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a vets group that supported the legislation,called the GOP move “a huge disappointment,” adding, “Today, politics won over helping vets.”

While only five Republicans voted with the Democrats to waive the GOP budget point of order measure, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) led the GOP opposition. “When we find ourselves in $16 trillion of debt and we pay for a five-year bill over 10 years, we make the problem worse,” he said.

However, Veterans Jobs Corps bill co-sponsor Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) said on the Senate floor today that “this bill is fully paid for and does not violate pay-go rules.” (The New York Times said Murray’s aides say “say the program will be paid for by recovering more money from tax-delinquent Medicare providers and forcing big tax deadbeats to pay up before receiving passports.”)

Murray even tried to include most of the provisions of a competing Republican bill but Democrats still ran into opposition. Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said he would block the measure until the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden was freed, while Coburn claimed the bill would have no chance of passing the House so it wasn’t worth the effort.

“I’ve been surprised at the many obstacles and weird arguments that have been thrown at us,” Murray told the Washington Post.

The jobless rate for Iraq and Afghanistan war vets, while steadily declining, is still higher than the national average, yet congressional Republicans remain “resolute in their commitment to deny the Democrats anything that looks like an accomplishment in an election year.”

In an editorial last weekend referring to today’s vote, the New York Times said, “We’ll know then whether good sense prevailed, or the wheels have come completely off the Congressional machine.” It looks like the Republicans have made sure of the latter.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:35 AM   #31
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$800B unfunded war based on false pretenses? No problem. But $1B to help find those veterans jobs when they come back? Forget it.

Today's Republican Party ladies and gentlemen.
I was wondering... When was our last funded war?
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:51 AM   #32
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— would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT.
Why do we need to spend $1 billion to convince police departments and firefighters to trained highly trained personnel that are used to structured, disciplined environments?

Being former military is already a huge edge in first responder jobs. If you aren't able to get that job without some form of government aid, you're probably a really lousy applicant.

We don't have any money. We're !@#$ing broke. This is a stupid use of funds to shepherd people into jobs that they either 1) Are already likely to get or 2) Simply weren't qualified for.

Sorry, but this isn't a politics problem, it's a simple budget problem. This is one of those 'nice' programs that you'd love to put into place if we had a money tree growing out back. We don't. And in the end there are far more critical uses for those funds.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:54 AM   #33
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Bullshit. There was a plan put forth to pay for this bill. A large problem (at least it's the largest talking point of GOP) is lack of jobs. Returning vets have an 11% unemployment rate, which is higher than the rest.

This shows nothing more than the GOP's unwillingness to work along side democrats. Point proven in the part about Rand Paul. For ****s sakes what does the return of the Bin Laden doctor have anything to do with this?
Returning vets have an 11% unemployment rate because they're actively seeking jobs. That 11% is actually pretty decent when you consider that they're all generally young men/women that are motivated and therefore remaining active in the workforce.

The only reason that's higher than the 'stated' unemployment rate is because the stated unemployment rate doesn't include the lazy assholes that aren't trying and have 'abandoned' the workforce. The 'real' unemployment rate is significantly higher among the general populace than 11% (anywhere from 12-19% depending on the source).

This is purely politically motivated and will do very very little to actually solve any problems.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:06 AM   #34
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Why do we need a bill to get these guys jobs working on public lands? If there are jobs available there then tell them where to sign up. Of course those jobs are paid for with tax dollars of one form or another so it's just more government spending. I don't know....
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:13 AM   #35
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Unless the issue has been the naming of a post office, they have pretty much filibustered it the last 4 years.
And will for 4 more if obama wins.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:19 AM   #36
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You'll believe anything. You make a perfect democrat drone.
Hi pot, meet kettle.

I have absolutely, positively, never heard you go against anything that doesn't fit with the GOP. This is all fine and dandy, however, don't come at me like you're middle of road and that's what I do (and I very well may), because that is the perfect definition of you.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:21 AM   #37
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Why do we need to spend $1 billion to convince police departments and firefighters to trained highly trained personnel that are used to structured, disciplined environments?

Being former military is already a huge edge in first responder jobs. If you aren't able to get that job without some form of government aid, you're probably a really lousy applicant.

We don't have any money. We're !@#$ing broke. This is a stupid use of funds to shepherd people into jobs that they either 1) Are already likely to get or 2) Simply weren't qualified for.

Sorry, but this isn't a politics problem, it's a simple budget problem. This is one of those 'nice' programs that you'd love to put into place if we had a money tree growing out back. We don't. And in the end there are far more critical uses for those funds.
Sounds like what we need to do is to get some jobs going and collect some taxes.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:25 AM   #38
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And will for 4 more if obama wins.
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Obviously he's not ineffective. Being ineffective would mean he affected nothing. He's done plenty and the majority of which he campaigned on. The problem is he's too effective, which is great if you believe in what he's doing and horrible if you don't.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:26 AM   #39
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Obviously he's not ineffective. Being ineffective would mean he affected nothing. He's done plenty and the majority of which he campaigned on. The problem is he's too effective, which is great if you believe in what he's doing and horrible if you don't.
Not obvious at all. He failed to get much of anything done even when he had the majority.

That's the first time I've heard someone say that he's accomplished most of what he campaigned on. Such as? Enlighten me if you would please?
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We don't have a money tree growing in the rotunda of the Capital Building. Is there any point at which you'll decide enough is enough? Veterans aren't the only group with a higher than average unemployment rate. It's about time we elect someone who can bring the rate down for everyone instead of using it to divide us.
Veterans are an important group. Veterans are more susceptible to falling into depression, drug dependency, and homelessness as a result of multiple factors, especially lack of civilian direction and purpose when they return from overseas. It's not enough to allow them to go to the VA for their problems. It's important to help prevent these problems.
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Not obvious at all. He failed to get much of anything done even when he had the majority.

That's the first time I've heard someone say that he's accomplished most of what he campaigned on. Such as? Enlighten me if you would please?
Here's a link tracking them.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...amas-promises/
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Hi pot, meet kettle.

I have absolutely, positively, never heard you go against anything that doesn't fit with the GOP. This is all fine and dandy, however, don't come at me like you're middle of road and that's what I do (and I very well may), because that is the perfect definition of you.
Just to be clear, I've never claimed to be middle-of-the-road. I'm coming at you like you're blindly following the pied piper without any sense that you've been completely hoodwinked.
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Not obvious at all. He failed to get much of anything done even when he had the majority.

That's the first time I've heard someone say that he's accomplished most of what he campaigned on. Such as? Enlighten me if you would please?
You haven't read any of the 100 BRC threads on that subject?
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Veterans are an important group. Veterans are more susceptible to falling into depression, drug dependency, and homelessness as a result of multiple factors, especially lack of civilian direction and purpose when they return from overseas. It's not enough to allow them to go to the VA for their problems. It's important to help prevent these problems.
Veterans already have special benefits, including preferential treatment when it comes to many jobs, by virtue of the important job that they've done for our country. That doesn't mean that every idea of how to give them even more is a good one. There isn't a single veteran who signed up for the military under the impression that they would be entitled to the benefits being contemplated by this legislation. At some point, bean counters need to have their voices heard over the wailing of politically-motivated demagogues with stories of higher rates of depression and homelessness (not you, but the people you're hearing this from).
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