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Old 09-20-2012, 11:03 AM  
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Senate Republicans Kill Veterans’ Jobs Bill

By Ben Armbruster on Sep 19, 2012 at 1:42 pm
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Senate Republicans prevented a veterans’ jobs bill from coming to a vote today by forcing a budget point of order vote. Democrats came up 2 votes short of the 60 needed to defeat the GOP’s budget measure.The Veterans Jobs Corps bill — which is part of President Obama’s push to secure jobs for veterans — would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT. The measure would have also provided young vets access to the infrastructure with which to assist in job searches, such as access to computers, internet and career services advisers.

The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a vets group that supported the legislation,called the GOP move “a huge disappointment,” adding, “Today, politics won over helping vets.”

While only five Republicans voted with the Democrats to waive the GOP budget point of order measure, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) led the GOP opposition. “When we find ourselves in $16 trillion of debt and we pay for a five-year bill over 10 years, we make the problem worse,” he said.

However, Veterans Jobs Corps bill co-sponsor Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) said on the Senate floor today that “this bill is fully paid for and does not violate pay-go rules.” (The New York Times said Murray’s aides say “say the program will be paid for by recovering more money from tax-delinquent Medicare providers and forcing big tax deadbeats to pay up before receiving passports.”)

Murray even tried to include most of the provisions of a competing Republican bill but Democrats still ran into opposition. Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said he would block the measure until the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden was freed, while Coburn claimed the bill would have no chance of passing the House so it wasn’t worth the effort.

“I’ve been surprised at the many obstacles and weird arguments that have been thrown at us,” Murray told the Washington Post.

The jobless rate for Iraq and Afghanistan war vets, while steadily declining, is still higher than the national average, yet congressional Republicans remain “resolute in their commitment to deny the Democrats anything that looks like an accomplishment in an election year.”

In an editorial last weekend referring to today’s vote, the New York Times said, “We’ll know then whether good sense prevailed, or the wheels have come completely off the Congressional machine.” It looks like the Republicans have made sure of the latter.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:10 AM   #46
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:18 AM   #47
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Veterans already have special benefits, including preferential treatment when it comes to many jobs, by virtue of the important job that they've done for our country.
Yet there is still high unemployment, and it could have been reduced.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:21 AM   #48
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Yet there is still high unemployment, and it could have been reduced.
If we just hire them all to twiddle their thumbs doing something completely unproductive in some federal building somewhere, unemployment can be reduced. But at what expense? It's way past time to start thinking in terms of cost and benefit instead of benefit alone.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:35 PM   #49
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Rather than websites or chain e-mails I was hoping you would answer for yourself, with specific accomplishments you consider noteworthy. As many times as I have asked this question of obama supporters I have yet to get that kind of direct, ready response.

When you have to research on the internet in order to come up with what a Potus has accomplished in 4 years that is, in itself, an answer.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:38 PM   #50
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Yet there is still high unemployment, and it could have been reduced.
Contrary to what obama believes we can't throw money a billion dollars at a time at everything we perceive as a need or a problem. We need to consider alternative methods of resolution or we'll never right our fiscal ship.
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:04 PM   #51
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Four Republican Senators, John Boozman (Arkansas), Mike Johanns (Nebraska), Richard Burr (North Carolina), and Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania) helped to write the Veterans Job Corp Act (S.3457), and promptly voted against it. Read that again. They helped to write the bill, then voted against it. How’s that now?
Republicans turning on their own ideas again to eliminate the possibility of Obama getting to sign anything resembling a popular bill in an election cycle. Yawn.

Just keep carrying that water for these guys who nobody's interest at heart but the wealthy.
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:11 PM   #52
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You and Brock are like a broken record the same shit over and over. You should get a life. It's really pathic.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:45 PM   #53
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Just to be clear, I've never claimed to be middle-of-the-road. I'm coming at you like you're blindly following the pied piper without any sense that you've been completely hoodwinked.
Like you, I suppose.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:55 PM   #54
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You and Brock are like a broken record the same shit over and over. You should get a life. It's really pathic.
Pot meet hypocritical kettle.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:10 PM   #55
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BS. Which poster am I constantly following around and being an asshole to?
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:13 PM   #56
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BS. Which poster am I constantly following around and being an asshole to?
I think he means this (broken record) I agree.
















Oh & love the sig. Are you black & brainwashed ?
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:01 PM   #57
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Veterans already have special benefits, including preferential treatment when it comes to many jobs, by virtue of the important job that they've done for our country. That doesn't mean that every idea of how to give them even more is a good one. There isn't a single veteran who signed up for the military under the impression that they would be entitled to the benefits being contemplated by this legislation. At some point, bean counters need to have their voices heard over the wailing of politically-motivated demagogues with stories of higher rates of depression and homelessness (not you, but the people you're hearing this from).
The bill was paid for. No additional spending. But nice try to now care about fiscal issues. Good place to start............ throw vets under the bus. not talking to you but others that are hearing this stuff
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:23 PM   #58
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BS. Which poster am I constantly following around and being an asshole to?
Looks like me now.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:34 AM   #59
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BS. Which poster am I constantly following around and being an asshole to?
You are correct, I have been an asshole to you for no reason other than the fact that I disagree with your politics. What makes it worse is you seem like a genuine and great person. My apologies.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:51 AM   #60
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The bill was paid for. No additional spending. But nice try to now care about fiscal issues. Good place to start............ throw vets under the bus. not talking to you but others that are hearing this stuff
We only have so much revenue to spend before we have to borrow. Saying that an unnecessary bill is paid for is nice, but it's not really true unless (a) we've already paid for the necessary things (see sequestration cuts that Leon Panetta calls "disasterous", for example) AND (b) we are no longer borrowing money to fund a deficit.
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