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Old 09-20-2012, 11:22 AM  
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:54 PM   #46
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So, which Americans' free speech right has been violated?
All of us have had our right to free speech damaged by the administration's chilling behavior.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:56 PM   #47
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I'm all for taking Bill Maher off the air anyway necessary...... that guy is a fkn douchebag.
He has a right to be a ****ing douchbag. South Park has a right to make fun of anyone it choses to make fun of. You want to piss off the muslims and post videos on you tube, publish a photo of a naked mohammed, go for it.

Free Speech is the cornerstone of any democracy. It's a right worth dying for. The Nazis want to march in Skokie, Westboro wants to be assholes its a cherished and protected right.

Now, the government can say that its a deplorable video, picture and we dont agree with its views to soothe some feelings.

But, no ****ing country, no billion people is going to tell us what our citizens can and cant say. You dont like that, tough shit. You want to fight about you dictating what I can say? Bring it the **** on pal.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:00 PM   #48
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So, which Americans' free speech right has been violated?
Nobody's. But stuff actually happening isn't necessary for some to bitch about it as if it actually occurred.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:03 PM   #49
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So, which Americans' free speech right has been violated?
It's still fluid at present, but someone believed to be in some way connected with the film was taken into custody with 1/2 dozen officers and a full compliment of press, from his home, the location of which the press publicized as well, on the tangential rationale that he might have logged into the internet in violation of probation.

Or, . . . listen to the clip.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:12 PM   #50
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Does anyone know of any violence protests or riots by American Muslims here?

I just did a google and read they are walking a tightrope denouncing the anti-Islam movie and the violence overseas.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...slam-film?lite
Dunno about the US but sadly tomorrows Mo Show in Melbourne has been cancelled because of 'islamophobia' and the fact the police tend to hit back when attacked. Also they had the nerve to arrest a terrorist cell of peaceful muslims, which is racist.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226477791625

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“I originally began to organise the rally as I could not sit back and tolerate the Islamophobia which I have witnessed recently,” she said, citing the anti-Islamic film mocking the prophet Mohammed, the Sydney riots, which Ms Javed blames on NSW police, and terror raids in Melbourne last week.
Your gov did issue US citizens a warning to avoid peaceful protests down here however so there's that.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/mo...#ixzz2739wGB35
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:24 PM   #51
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Dunno about the US but sadly tomorrows Mo Show in Melbourne has been cancelled because of 'islamophobia' and the fact the police tend to hit back when attacked. Also they had the nerve to arrest a terrorist cell of peaceful muslims, which is racist.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226477791625



Your gov did issue US citizens a warning to avoid peaceful protests down here however so there's that.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/mo...#ixzz2739wGB35
Well, thank you. But it just looks like there haven't and they've been showing restraint.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:25 PM   #52
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It's still fluid at present, but someone believed to be in some way connected with the film was taken into custody with 1/2 dozen officers and a full compliment of press, from his home, the location of which the press publicized as well, on the tangential rationale that he might have logged into the internet in violation of probation.

Or, . . . listen to the clip.
I read that several days ago. He's in jail for bank fraud.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #53
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It's still fluid at present, but someone believed to be in some way connected with the film was taken into custody with 1/2 dozen officers and a full compliment of press, from his home, the location of which the press publicized as well, on the tangential rationale that he might have logged into the internet in violation of probation.

Or, . . . listen to the clip.
Their sole purpose was to stir up shit, elicit angry responses and they are on propation, suppose to be showing the community they can be a responsible member of the community, instead of being in jail. Guess what, maybe you shouldnt be on probation, you can stir up shit when you have done your time for your previous crimes.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:22 PM   #54
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Their sole purpose was to stir up shit, elicit angry responses and they are on propation, suppose to be showing the community they can be a responsible member of the community, instead of being in jail. Guess what, maybe you shouldnt be on probation, you can stir up shit when you have done your time for your previous crimes.
Convicts voting, no problem.

Convicts [possibly] speaking, . . . Armageddon!!!

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Old 09-20-2012, 08:28 PM   #55
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Didnt Barry pass HR 347 ?
Powers to arrest and bring felony charges against citizens engaged in protest where the secret service is present.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:32 PM   #56
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Didnt Barry pass HR 347 ?
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Sounds like a very accurate description. I am sure that no more explanation is necessary for an actual understanding.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:34 PM   #57
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Deal with it if you wish, but don't deal with it by restricting free expression through any exercise of American governmental influence.
that's a perfectly reasonable position to take...

i don't think i would favor censorship per se, but what about making inciting language resulting in death actionable like slander and libel?
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:39 PM   #58
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So, in your opinion, we should not make fun of Muslims religious idols because they will most likely respond with violence? But it's okay to do this to Christians because they most likely won't respond with violence?

Sounds rational.
making fun of things is a time-honored tradition in our country, but i'm not really talking about making fun of things...

that film was intended to provoke violence, it wasn't just making fun of somebody...

and there is nothing particularly rational about all of this, especially the islamist reaction...
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:41 PM   #59
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I say we hand over Obama and see if that pacifies them. If that doesn't work, give them Hillary and Biden too.
they can have obama, but i won't give up hillary...

she's going to be the next democrat president, bank on it...
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:49 PM   #60
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It shouldn't be a difficult issue. Once you start down the path you are entertaining.. you are giving in to censorship. Period. You have effectively handed control of the issue over to anyone who decides to react in an irrational manner to anything they dislike. I don't like it when Justin Beiber is played on the radio so I get a bunch of like minded people together and we burn down a few radio stations and murder a few DJs. Well, I guess we should blame those radio stations, DJs and Justin Bieber... right?

Come on, you're smarter than this.
blame isn't really the issue...

and i'm not assigning blame nor am i suggesting that it's acceptable for anyone to employ mob violence for political/religious reasons...

what i am suggesting is that there is a real problem (regardless of blame, regardless of lack of any justification) which could be addressed, and maybe should be addressed, but prior censorship is not the answer under our system of governmnent...

as far as you jb example, if we knew that you and your buds would react that way we probably should do something to prevent that if we can or at least punish it in some way to discourage you young hooligans...

of course, my granddaughter would never hear of any such foolishness, she's a jb girl (she's gonna be six next month)...

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