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Old 09-23-2012, 03:50 PM  
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ANyone else still want to TANK the season for a better draft pick?

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"we should tank this season for a better draft pick"

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Old 09-23-2012, 09:38 PM   #226
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Last year Pioli got himself a mulligan with Cassel with the injury. Obiviously we should have done more to address it but with Pioli's love affair the injury made it easy for him to say let us roll with him again.

But more games like today will not contribute to Cassel sticking around. The fact that we seemed interested in Manning shows even Pioli knows Cassel's time here is drawing near to an end.

Our overall team talent was on display today. I would rather go 10-6 and trade the farm for position to take a first round QB. Barkley or Smith are the only ones so far I see as worth trading way way way up for. Maybe Tyler Wilson would come cheap.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:40 PM   #227
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But more games like today will not contribute to Cassel sticking around.

Exactly.....

Games like the 1st two losses have a MUCH higher chance of that...
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:45 PM   #228
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The players aren't going to quit, the GM isn't going to quit and the coaches aren't going to quit, so the idea of "tanking" is just ****ing stupid.

Furthermore, who gives a shit about draft position? It's been proven time again that it's not where you pick, it's who you pick. If the Chiefs pick 20th in the 2013 draft, there is nothing whatsoever that precludes them from giving up draft choices in order to move up and take a QB.

This team is a legitimate QB away from a deep trip into the playoffs. I don't give a shit how they obtain a Franchise QB, just ****ing DO IT already. Trade the farm. I don't give a ****.

Plus, there are free agents and plenty of college free agents to fill out the bottom of the roster, which is pretty much where the Chiefs are at, outside of QB (and Belcher and as much as he's average at best, it's just not that big of a weakness).

Obtain a real QB and the Chiefs will get a 4 year pass.
In theory that is fine. The issue is who is actually making that pick. Do you think the Chiefs having a decent season means Pioli likes Cassel still? If so, that affects who we pick. If you believe Pioli isn't one to go trade for a QB, that affects who we pick to. Pioli is a real factor in this scenario.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:46 PM   #229
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Exactly.....

Games like the 1st two losses have a MUCH higher chance of that...
Great if true. I'm concerned that its not the case.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:47 PM   #230
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Great if true. I'm concerned that its not the case.
The Don does not like it when you bust the arm of one of his prize draft picks who is actually better than what a lot of people give him credit for.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:49 PM   #231
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Great if true. I'm concerned that its not the case.
Personally I don't see how it couldnt be true....The 1st two games were easy to blame on the defense and special teams......this WIN was made possible mainly by everyone else OTHER than Cassel...

Plus

Well, at least if our team is decent enough to win with Cassel, when we get that next QB he can step in to a solid situation....

So rooting for losses to me is just utterly lame.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:49 PM   #232
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In theory that is fine.
I just answered the question. Nothing more.

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The issue is who is actually making that pick.
Different question for a different thread.

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Do you think the Chiefs having a decent season means Pioli likes Cassel still? If so, that affects who we pick. If you believe Pioli isn't one to go trade for a QB, that affects who we pick to. Pioli is a real factor in this scenario.
I don't even know what you're attempting to say.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:52 PM   #233
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In theory, a first round QB will be a franchise QB. In reality, only 30% end up being that. Dane is right. IF there is a QB we really like, we need to go get him. It doesn't matter where we pick.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:57 PM   #234
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The players aren't going to quit, the GM isn't going to quit and the coaches aren't going to quit, so the idea of "tanking" is just ****ing stupid.

Furthermore, who gives a shit about draft position? It's been proven time again that it's not where you pick, it's who you pick. If the Chiefs pick 20th in the 2013 draft, there is nothing whatsoever that precludes them from giving up draft choices in order to move up and take a QB.

This team is a legitimate QB away from a deep trip into the playoffs. I don't give a shit how they obtain a Franchise QB, just ****ing DO IT already. Trade the farm. I don't give a ****.

Plus, there are free agents and plenty of college free agents to fill out the bottom of the roster, which is pretty much where the Chiefs are at, outside of QB (and Belcher and as much as he's average at best, it's just not that big of a weakness).

Obtain a real QB and the Chiefs will get a 4 year pass.
Exactly.

When's the last time the Steelers or Pats picked in the top 10?...
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:01 PM   #235
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Doesn't it get tiring wanting to lose for a better draft position after the first couple of games of each season? What a defeatist mentality that is! I want this team to win! There is tons of talent on this team. We just need an average QB to better exploit it.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:06 PM   #236
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Exactly.

When's the last time the Steelers or Pats picked in the top 10?...
The last time the Steelers picked that high (#11), they took Ben.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:06 PM   #237
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I'm rooting for them still. If they had lost today it would be a different story, but as it stands they play the Chargers next week, and if they win that, could very well sit atop the division after Week 4. I need to see "winning the division" as an extreme long shot before I can really worry about draft pick.
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:07 PM   #238
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So rooting for losses to me is just utterly lame.
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I don't even know what you're attempting to say.
I am trying to say that if you don't trust Pioli, or fear that he would stick with Cassel if the Chiefs have any kind of average year, then it would make you want to have a season that forces Pioli to draft a QB. A season where it was beyond cut and dry how bad Cassel is. A season where you got a high enough draft pick where you wouldn't have to trade up if you feared Pioli would never do so.

If you don't worry about those things then losses wouldn't really matter. To me I don't know what the hell its going to take for Pioli to do something. I do worry about what kind of a season it would take for him to move Cassel. I would love for the Chiefs to win and still know that the QB situation will be fixed. I just don't feel like I can trust Pioli with that duty.
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I am trying to say that if you don't trust Pioli, or fear that he would stick with Cassel if the Chiefs have any kind of average year, then it would make you want to have a season that forces Pioli to draft a QB. A season where it was beyond cut and dry how bad Cassel is. A season where you got a high enough draft pick where you wouldn't have to trade up if you feared Pioli would never do so.
Look Dude, I have NO control over who the Chiefs draft, sign, start or play. I'm not going to wish "ill will" upon the franchise so that they fire Pioli, cut Cassel, etc. Either that shit happens or it doesn't.

I don't have time for that type of nonsense.
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