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Old 09-24-2012, 12:55 AM  
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Walterfootball.com has KC picking #8 overall

yeah, yeah... only week 3 and a lot of shit can change from now to draft date. this is the ONLY thing that will make me renew my season tix next year.

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My only hope is that he has an off game or two... Lord knows Pioli won't trade up for him.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:00 AM   #166
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meh. somebody will trade up to get the QB we want the pick before ours. Then we will find out that Pioli wasn't going to draft a QB anyway.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:05 AM   #167
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2010 was probably the worst thing that could happen to this franchise (after the Cassel trade, of course)
2009 was the worst thing to happen since 1999. Carl should have been gone with Marty.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:09 PM   #168
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And I've got no issue with us trading a bunch of picks to get him.
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Two future firsts and a second isn't the ridiculous sum that many made it out to be for a player whom an organization believes is a franchise QB.
This. You trade, move up, move mountains, whatever.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:53 PM   #169
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Chiefs draft around 12-15.

Smith goes 1
Barkley in top 5
Wilson in top 10

When asked why the Chiefs didn't attempt to go after a real QB, Pioli says, "You gotta remember that we still have a pretty good QB in Matt who made the Pro Bowl not too long ago and has led this team through some tough initial losses to begin the season."

2010 was probably the worst thing that could happen to this franchise (after the Cassel trade, of course)
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:54 PM   #170
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Chiefs draft around 12-15.

Smith goes 1
Barkley in top 5
Wilson in top 10

When asked why the Chiefs didn't attempt to go after a real QB, Pioli says, "You gotta remember that we still have a pretty good QB in Matt who made the Pro Bowl not too long ago and has led this team through some tough initial losses to begin the season."

2010 was probably the worst thing that could happen to this franchise (after the Cassel trade, of course)
I think Dane hit on this, but the worst thing to happen to this franchise is hiring Pioli in 2009.
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:37 PM   #171
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And Wilson too low.
I think Wilson's overrated.

I remember when everyone was going nuts about him being a possible late entry to the draft last year. I watched a couple of games he played in and then his bowl game - I wasn't terribly impressed.

Petrino plays a baller system for QBs. It's essentially built to allow a QB to launch it downfield 4-5 times a game and let his WRs run under it.

I didn't see him doing much in terms of progressions or finding holes in defenses. He wasn't looking guys off or firing balls into windows. To me he looked like just another good college QB.

He looks like Jake Locker to me and that's about it. That's not a bad guy to end up with, but I don't see him as a star caliber player by any stretch.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:14 PM   #172
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I think Wilson's overrated.

I remember when everyone was going nuts about him being a possible late entry to the draft last year. I watched a couple of games he played in and then his bowl game - I wasn't terribly impressed.

Petrino plays a baller system for QBs. It's essentially built to allow a QB to launch it downfield 4-5 times a game and let his WRs run under it.

I didn't see him doing much in terms of progressions or finding holes in defenses. He wasn't looking guys off or firing balls into windows. To me he looked like just another good college QB.

He looks like Jake Locker to me and that's about it. That's not a bad guy to end up with, but I don't see him as a star caliber player by any stretch.
I respect that although I disagree. I see him as a legit franchise QB.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:25 PM   #173
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I think Wilson's overrated.

I remember when everyone was going nuts about him being a possible late entry to the draft last year. I watched a couple of games he played in and then his bowl game - I wasn't terribly impressed.

Petrino plays a baller system for QBs. It's essentially built to allow a QB to launch it downfield 4-5 times a game and let his WRs run under it.

I didn't see him doing much in terms of progressions or finding holes in defenses. He wasn't looking guys off or firing balls into windows. To me he looked like just another good college QB.

He looks like Jake Locker to me and that's about it. That's not a bad guy to end up with, but I don't see him as a star caliber player by any stretch.
I see where you're coming from, but I also see that he has a level of talent that isn't coachable, not to mention, an absolute cannon for an arm. I saw one pass in the bowl game that went 60 yards on a line. I don't even think Cassel can throw 60 yards period, whether the less on a line.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:29 PM   #174
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I think Wilson's overrated.
He looks like Jake Locker to me and that's about it. That's not a bad guy to end up with, but I don't see him as a star caliber player by any stretch.
Horrible comparison, IMO. Locker is much more mobile, tends to run more often (Wilson not at all) and is a significantly less accurate passer than Wilson. Tyler is strictly a pocket guy, whereas Locker is best used by rolling him out of the pocket. This is done to help compensate for his struggles going through his progressions in the pocket.

Locker never even completed over 58% of his passes in a season. Wilson completed 63% in his first full season as a starter and had a better TD/INT ratio, as well as a higher YPA.

Inb4 people posting about how Wilson has completed only 58% 2 & 1/2 games into the season.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:48 PM   #175
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Jeff George had a rocket arm with pretty good accuracy. He could also throw beautiful spirals

I think what DJ is saying is that Petrino's system can mask a QB's deficiencies and put him in positions where he doesn't have to be quick-thinking, mobile, or have great pocket awareness.

I need to see more of Wilson before I determine if he's got "it". I'm not making any judgments yet.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:52 PM   #176
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Locker had nowhere near the weapons or offensive system in place designed to make it as easy on him as it is on Wilson. Moreover, Wilson isn't a pure pocket guy; he's actually fairly mobile. However, the system he runs isn't built around him moving at all and frankly attempts to avoid it.

When I saw him play, I saw a guy that was absolutely a solid athlete and very similar to Locker in that regard. Locker is perhaps a little faster in a straight line and a little more fluid, but I don't see Wilson as a stiff at all.

As to accuracy, there's no question that Locker could be erratic at times (and in fact still is). I disagree that he struggles with his progressions, but I do think his mechanics fail him fairly often. Again I think that's a coaching issue as he wasn't exactly loaded with clean pockets and open WRs with the Huskies. I also think we're overrated Wilson's accuracy a great deal. His accuracy is no better than average. He made his bones last year flinging it into open spaces for one of the top 5 skill-position units in the country. Guys were constantly open in those Arky games. I did notice, however, that he often put too much air under the deep ball or threw his guys towards coverage.

I don't think of Ryan Mallet as anything approaching an 'accurate' passer, yet his completion % his last year in Arkansas was better than Wilson's was last season. That's a fantastic system for QBs.

They come from different systems and have been developed differently for sure. In the end, however, I think they carry very very similar physical attributes and upside. The same arguments you make in favor of me 'underrating' Wilson are why I say you're overrating him.

He's a good, not great, prospect.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:55 PM   #177
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I think what DJ is saying is that Petrino's system can mask a QB's deficiencies and put him in positions where he doesn't have to be quick-thinking, mobile, or have great pocket awareness.

I need to see more of Wilson before I determine if he's got "it". I'm not making any judgments yet.
Yup, that's what I'm saying.

I was with everyone else - excited that perhaps we would stumble into our answer at QB if this kid declared. I tried to watch him with as unbiased an eye as I could get.

In the end, I just wasn't that impressed by him. That system made him look far better than he was, IMO. It's the opposite of the argument I made with Bradford - sure, Bradford's system sure made things easy on him, but when you watched him throw he was just so precise in his targets and so crisp with his rhythm and timing that you could see he could be successful in virtually any system.

Wilson doesn't have that look to me. He looks like a guy with some very obvious warts (and leadership concerns) that's playing in a pass-happy system with a wealth of weapons at his disposal. Oh, and I also don't think he has a cannon anymore than Barkley does. He has an NFL arm, to be sure. But Stafford has a cannon. Luck and Griffin have cannon's. Bray has a cannon. Wilson just has a solid NFL arm.

I think years of watching Cassel has warped our expectation of an NFL quarterback. Wilson's arm would be, at best, slightly above average in the NFL.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:59 PM   #178
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Of all the 32 teams, who needs a QB more than us? No one. I don't think there will be the demand like years past. This year's draft pretty much took care of everyone. Only way the market opens up is if some seated QBs' tank their team & season.

Arizona & Buffalo look to be the only teams who might be in the market & if Kolb can just be average & let his defense carry him he should be OK. Besides, if not Kolb they have those other 2 who are fairly young.

They just signed Fitzpatrick to a lucrative extension last year so giving up on him may not be easy.
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I look at Wilson's stats and atleast from an INT rate i'd say he's pretty safe with the ball.
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