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Old 09-25-2012, 11:33 AM  
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Voting laws may deter 10 million Hispanics, report says

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Voting laws may deter 10 million Hispanics, report says
By Krissah Thompson
Published: September 22

Civil rights groups are warning that as many as 10 million Hispanics may be deterred from casting ballots because of changes to voting laws.

In a report to be released Monday, the civil rights group Advancement Project cites the potential impact of newly restrictive photo identification laws, proof-of-citizenship requirements and late efforts in a few states to remove noncitizens from the voter rolls.

“It has the impact of scaring people and reminding them of [immigration] raids and other kinds of law enforcement that have been targeted toward these communities,” said Penda D. Hair, a co-director of the Advancement Project, part of a coalition of liberal groups that oppose the new voting laws.

Proponents of the efforts to tighten voting laws, including several secretaries of state, say they want to root out voter fraud and are not targeting particular demographic groups.

“The fact is our office only compared our voter rolls against DMV records where individuals showed proof of non-citizenship,” Rich Coolidge, spokesman for the Colorado secretary of state’s office, said in an e-mail. “To insinuate anything else is absolutely false and reckless. Unfortunately, some partisan groups attempt to leverage this effort for their own political gain.”

In-person voting fraud is rare, studies have shown, but there have been recent cases of absentee ballot fraud, and small numbers of noncitizens are registered to vote. In Colorado, the secretary of state’s office estimated last year that as many as 11,000 noncitizens were registered to vote. But after checking a federal immigration database, the state announced this month that 141 noncitizens were registered and as few as 35 had cast ballots.

Several of the states with more restrictive laws and procedures, such as Colorado, have large Hispanic populations. As the deadline to register voters approaches in many states, the Advancement Project’s report warns that the new rules are working against efforts to register Hispanics, the nation’s fastest-growing demographic.

Both President Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney are working hard to appeal to Hispanics, who could be key to winning important swing states if they turn out to vote in large numbers.

Advocacy groups have been trying for several years to increase the number of Latinos who vote. In 2010, 6.3 million Latinos who were eligible to vote reported that they were unregistered and 10.8 million said they did not vote, according to census figures cited by the report.

“At the end of the day, voting should be free, fair and accessible, and these barriers are standing in the way of an increasing demographic in this country,” said Judith A. Browne-Dianis, a co-director of the Advancement Project.

A dozen state legislatures passed rules last year requiring voters to present state-issued photo IDs, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, although in four states the laws were vetoed by Democratic governors.

Pennsylvania’s governor signed a voter ID bill in March that is still being litigated, with opponents presenting studies showing that blacks, Hispanics and others in urban areas are less likely to have the required ID.

In addition, 16 states — including Colorado, Florida and New Mexico — have attempted to “purge” noncitizens from registration lists. The Advancement Project cited examples of purges incorrectly flagging the names of naturalized citizens, putting them at risk for having their voter registration invalidated.

Florida halted an effort to remove noncitizens from lists when it became known that the database used by the state to check citizenship was out of date.

Denver resident Veronica Figoli, who immigrated from Venezuela in 1999, was among the legally registered voters in Colorado whose name was flagged for removal from voter rolls. The letter that she received said it was “extremely important” that she affirm her citizenship or withdraw from the voter rolls, which she said made her feel like a “second-class citizen.”

“To get this letter was kind of insulting,” said Figoli, who became a citizen in 2011 after what she said was a costly and stressful process. “There are so many steps and it is so confusing, and it’s expensive. And you are dealing with government and that makes you uncomfortable.” When she got the letter, she said, “I questioned myself.”

Figoli returned the required paperwork but said that others might be more fearful.

“I have a friend who said, ‘I wouldn’t do anything. . . . What if they revoke my citizenship?’ ” Figoli said. “The fear is there.”

Melinda Aguirre, who was born in Denver, also received a letter in English and Spanish questioning her citizenship. “I don’t even speak Spanish,” she said. “It’s just a bunch of [bull] what they are doing with certain people. My mom didn’t get this letter. My brother didn’t get this letter. Their last name is Roybal. But the Aguirres did.”

John Fund, a conservative columnist and author of “Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy,” said recent polls show that advocates of cleaning up the voter rolls have public opinion on their side and that they are being unfairly accused of racism. “It is very unfortunate that this issue has been used by groups who want to yell racism in a crowded political theater,” Fund said. “This is not the way to debate these issues.”

Still, the National Council of La Raza, which has been working with a network of groups to register Hispanic voters, was one of a dozen civil rights groups that said last week that voting rights are in a “state of emergency.”

“Part of our frustration is that the debate over the voter integrity process has become a polarized thing,” said Clarissa Martinez De Castro, the group’s director of immigration and national campaigns. “It’s almost like voters have become guilty until proven innocent.”

Ana Navarro, a Republican campaign consultant in Florida, said she doesn’t expect Hispanics there to be dissuaded from registering or voting.

“I don’t get the sense that the average voter is out there ready to set their hair on fire over the voting law changes,” she said in an e-mail. “Political campaigns are in full swing in Florida and there’s just too many substantive issues like the economy, high unemployment, Medicare, and housing, that Floridians are worried about. . . . Ready or not, whether you like or dislike the changes to the process, voting is upon us.”

Floridians start getting absentee ballots in a couple of weeks, and in most states, voter registration closes 30 days before the election.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:43 PM   #16
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10 million non-conforming voters wiped out? It's a good start.

Seriously though. The only people afraid to verify their legal right to vote are people with something to hide.
Send me that letter, send it to every single registered voter.
I'll be happy to verify my status and proud of the answers I give.
Same here. And as a naturalized American citizen, I'd gladly whip out my naturalization certificate to prove my eligibility.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:43 PM   #17
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I don't blame you for not wanting to admit your apparent hypocrisy on this, but I think you'd feel better if you'd just admit it.

And, you really shouldn't label it as "non-existent." Again.
What is the hypocrisy?

That the party who this is being done to happens to be the one he supports?

Bottom line is he doesn't want some law for a "virtually" nonexistent problem whose goal is to suppress their opposition's vote turn out to dictate the outcome of this election.

The only hypocrisy would be if he didn't deliver the same amount of support if it happens to the other party.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:43 PM   #18
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ID's cost money to obtain, thus requiring ID is a form of a poll tax. That's not partisan, it's a fact. To require photo ID, the government entity needs to provide ID's free of charge. I believe Pennsylvania (pretty sure its that state) is attempting to institute a free-of-charge state ID, but there are concerns that they could satisfy all the requests in time for the election.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:45 PM   #19
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What is the hypocrisy?

That the party who this is being done to happens to be the one he supports?

Bottom line is he doesn't want some law for a "virtually" nonexistent problem whose goal is to suppress their opposition's vote turn out to dictate the outcome of this election.

The only hypocrisy would be if he didn't deliver the same amount of support if it happens to the other party.
That Direckshun cares about this issue because it damages Democrats' chances of victory, if even a little, while simultaneously disparaging Republicans for wanting this because it helps them win.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:47 PM   #20
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Even the potential of people who shouldn't be voting deciding election results makes it meaningful.
The potential?

There's been no serious cries of election fraud in our national elections in modern history, correct me if I'm wrong. We even had a national election come down to a few hundred votes in Florida in 2000, and virtually nobody serious cried foul.

Our elections are safe from fraud because of the superior laws we've passed and the superior enforcement we've empowered to protect us from it.

That's not what voter ID is about. It's about marginalizing the already-underrepresented constituencies that vote in ways Republicans disapprove.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:48 PM   #21
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ID's cost money to obtain, thus requiring ID is a form of a poll tax. That's not partisan, it's a fact. To require photo ID, the government entity needs to provide ID's free of charge. I believe Pennsylvania (pretty sure its that state) is attempting to institute a free-of-charge state ID, but there are concerns that they could satisfy all the requests in time for the election.
Yup.
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That Direckshun cares about this issue because it damages Democrats' chances of victory, if even a little, while simultaneously disparaging Republicans for wanting this because it helps them win.
With all due respect, the hypocrisy is seeing this and not being outraged by it. No matter the party.

I guess if you can't win the election or buy the election , then you can just try to steal it.
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That Direckshun cares about this issue because it damages Democrats' chances of victory, if even a little, while simultaneously disparaging Republicans for wanting this because it helps them win.
I refuse to support naked attempts at voter suppression.

You should, too.
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The potential?

There's been no serious cries of election fraud in our national elections in modern history, correct me if I'm wrong. We even had a national election come down to a few hundred votes in Florida in 2000, and virtually nobody serious cried foul.

Our elections are safe from fraud because of the superior laws we've passed and the superior enforcement we've empowered to protect us from it.

That's not what voter ID is about. It's about marginalizing the already-underrepresented constituencies that vote in ways Republicans disapprove.
Yes, the potential. For all we know, people who shouldn't be voting have already decided close elections.

If that doesn't bother you, that's fine. It bothers me.
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With all due respect, the hypocrisy is seeing this and not being outraged by it. No matter the party.

I guess if you can't win the election or buy the election , then you can just try to steal it.
My main motivation for supporting this is to help ensure that only the people who are eligible to vote are voting.

The fact that it hurts the Democrats is just a bonus.
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Yes, the potential. For all we know, people who shouldn't be voting have already decided close elections.

If that doesn't bother you, that's fine. It bothers me.
So we should make it to where 10 million can't vote in case 4 or 5 might have cheated.
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Yes, the potential. For all we know, people who shouldn't be voting have already decided close elections.

If that doesn't bother you, that's fine. It bothers me.
I'm willing to put the odds of in person voter fraud actually stealing elections at 0.000~0001%.

The logistics of that needing to happen with our current laws and enforcement would have to be of the "widespread shadow conspiracy" variety.

To soothe your paranoia, you're willing to suppress the vote of the poor, of minorities, and of people you politically disagree with.

Beautiful work, there.
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So we should make it to where 10 million can't vote in case 4 or 5 might have cheated.
Can't vote?
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They can all vote if they care enough to get off of their ass, and go spend half an hour getting an ID.

It's not rocket science and it's not asking them to break 10 tons of rock with a nerf football.
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I refuse to support naked attempts at voter suppression.

You should, too.
And you should support requiring voters to prove that they are eligible to cast a ballot.
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