Voting laws may deter 10 million Hispanics, report says

[Direckshun]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...2_story_1.html

Voting laws may deter 10 million Hispanics, report says
By Krissah Thompson
Published: September 22

Civil rights groups are warning that as many as 10 million Hispanics may be deterred from casting ballots because of changes to voting laws.

In a report to be released Monday, the civil rights group Advancement Project cites the potential impact of newly restrictive photo identification laws, proof-of-citizenship requirements and late efforts in a few states to remove noncitizens from the voter rolls.

“It has the impact of scaring people and reminding them of [immigration] raids and other kinds of law enforcement that have been targeted toward these communities,” said Penda D. Hair, a co-director of the Advancement Project, part of a coalition of liberal groups that oppose the new voting laws.

Proponents of the efforts to tighten voting laws, including several secretaries of state, say they want to root out voter fraud and are not targeting particular demographic groups.

“The fact is our office only compared our voter rolls against DMV records where individuals showed proof of non-citizenship,” Rich Coolidge, spokesman for the Colorado secretary of state’s office, said in an e-mail. “To insinuate anything else is absolutely false and reckless. Unfortunately, some partisan groups attempt to leverage this effort for their own political gain.”

In-person voting fraud is rare, studies have shown, but there have been recent cases of absentee ballot fraud, and small numbers of noncitizens are registered to vote. In Colorado, the secretary of state’s office estimated last year that as many as 11,000 noncitizens were registered to vote. But after checking a federal immigration database, the state announced this month that 141 noncitizens were registered and as few as 35 had cast ballots.

Several of the states with more restrictive laws and procedures, such as Colorado, have large Hispanic populations. As the deadline to register voters approaches in many states, the Advancement Project’s report warns that the new rules are working against efforts to register Hispanics, the nation’s fastest-growing demographic.

Both President Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney are working hard to appeal to Hispanics, who could be key to winning important swing states if they turn out to vote in large numbers.

Advocacy groups have been trying for several years to increase the number of Latinos who vote. In 2010, 6.3 million Latinos who were eligible to vote reported that they were unregistered and 10.8 million said they did not vote, according to census figures cited by the report.

“At the end of the day, voting should be free, fair and accessible, and these barriers are standing in the way of an increasing demographic in this country,” said Judith A. Browne-Dianis, a co-director of the Advancement Project.

A dozen state legislatures passed rules last year requiring voters to present state-issued photo IDs, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, although in four states the laws were vetoed by Democratic governors.

Pennsylvania’s governor signed a voter ID bill in March that is still being litigated, with opponents presenting studies showing that blacks, Hispanics and others in urban areas are less likely to have the required ID.

In addition, 16 states — including Colorado, Florida and New Mexico — have attempted to “purge” noncitizens from registration lists. The Advancement Project cited examples of purges incorrectly flagging the names of naturalized citizens, putting them at risk for having their voter registration invalidated.

Florida halted an effort to remove noncitizens from lists when it became known that the database used by the state to check citizenship was out of date.

Denver resident Veronica Figoli, who immigrated from Venezuela in 1999, was among the legally registered voters in Colorado whose name was flagged for removal from voter rolls. The letter that she received said it was “extremely important” that she affirm her citizenship or withdraw from the voter rolls, which she said made her feel like a “second-class citizen.”

“To get this letter was kind of insulting,” said Figoli, who became a citizen in 2011 after what she said was a costly and stressful process. “There are so many steps and it is so confusing, and it’s expensive. And you are dealing with government and that makes you uncomfortable.” When she got the letter, she said, “I questioned myself.”

Figoli returned the required paperwork but said that others might be more fearful.

“I have a friend who said, ‘I wouldn’t do anything. . . . What if they revoke my citizenship?’ ” Figoli said. “The fear is there.”

Melinda Aguirre, who was born in Denver, also received a letter in English and Spanish questioning her citizenship. “I don’t even speak Spanish,” she said. “It’s just a bunch of [bull] what they are doing with certain people. My mom didn’t get this letter. My brother didn’t get this letter. Their last name is Roybal. But the Aguirres did.”

John Fund, a conservative columnist and author of “Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy,” said recent polls show that advocates of cleaning up the voter rolls have public opinion on their side and that they are being unfairly accused of racism. “It is very unfortunate that this issue has been used by groups who want to yell racism in a crowded political theater,” Fund said. “This is not the way to debate these issues.”

Still, the National Council of La Raza, which has been working with a network of groups to register Hispanic voters, was one of a dozen civil rights groups that said last week that voting rights are in a “state of emergency.”

“Part of our frustration is that the debate over the voter integrity process has become a polarized thing,” said Clarissa Martinez De Castro, the group’s director of immigration and national campaigns. “It’s almost like voters have become guilty until proven innocent.”

Ana Navarro, a Republican campaign consultant in Florida, said she doesn’t expect Hispanics there to be dissuaded from registering or voting.

“I don’t get the sense that the average voter is out there ready to set their hair on fire over the voting law changes,” she said in an e-mail. “Political campaigns are in full swing in Florida and there’s just too many substantive issues like the economy, high unemployment, Medicare, and housing, that Floridians are worried about. . . . Ready or not, whether you like or dislike the changes to the process, voting is upon us.”

Floridians start getting absentee ballots in a couple of weeks, and in most states, voter registration closes 30 days before the election.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Then you don't feel the same way. You are wrong.

And I definitively disagree that you wouldn't, anyway. And there's no way you can prove it regardless so you're wasting your fingers flinging ridiculous platitudes like that against the wall.

No, I'm not wrong.

I support requiring photo ID in order to be able to cast a vote. That apparently hurts Democrats, because more of their voters don't have a photo ID. I would still support requiring a photo ID if more Republican voters didn't have photo IDs.

And I don't care if you don't believe me. You don't even have the courage to admit your motivations on the matter.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Problem solved.

I think the real question is who is opposing that and why?

People who don't want to take a hit at the polls, obviously. Namely, Democrats.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, I'm not wrong.

I support requiring photo ID in order to be able to cast a vote. That apparently hurts Democrats, because more of their voters don't have a photo ID. I would still support requiring a photo ID if more Republican voters didn't have photo IDs.

You're wrong if you think that's the summation of my stance on this issue.

I don't believe you. Which is why volunteering useless pieces of information like "c'mon I'd do it for you if the roles were reversed" is useless in a pointless hypothetical in a virtual community where everything about ourselves is already impossible to prove.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You're wrong if you think that's the summation of my stance on this issue.

I don't think that that's your entire motivation, but I do believe that it's a part of it.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don't believe you. Which is why volunteering useless pieces of information like "c'mon I'd do it for you if the roles were reversed" is useless in a pointless hypothetical in a virtual community where everything about ourselves is already impossible to prove.

I don't care if you believe me.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I am perfectly fine with them requiring ID. My issue is that they shouldn't have to pay for an ID to vote. This is a poll tax, plain and simple.


You can spin this way or that way about how important it is in everyday life but obviously it is not that important in theirs if they don't have one.

According to this post by Direckshun, at least in PA, people without ID's are able to get a free state issued ID so that they are able to vote.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=751

The Pennsylvania measure, known as Act 18, was signed into law by Republican Gov. Tom Corbett. It would require 8.2 million registered voters to present a state-approved photo ID, such as a driver’s license or a new, free, state-issued voter ID card at the polls. The state estimated earlier this year that about 89,000 Pennsylvania voters, or 1%, might lack an acceptable ID. Opponents of the law say the number is far higher.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't care if you believe me.

Then don't volunteer that information. Unless you're just fully aware it is unprovable and doesn't advance your argument in any way.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm opposing it because it's unnecessary, it doesn't fight voter fraud, and it marginalizes constituences that just so happen to vote Democratic.

Re-watch the YouTube in post #2.

I've seen that clip and I know their motivations. Truth being told, if they are provided a free id so that they can vote, I don't know what the problem is. If they are able to get ID free of charge so they can vote then I don't feel this on the Government, but rather on those who choose not to exercise their right. However, if they cannot provide ID"S to all who need them in time then it shouldn't be allowed.

[patteeu]

Magenta for illegal voters!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Then don't volunteer that information. Unless you're just fully aware it is unprovable and doesn't advance your argument in any way.

Yes, I'm fully aware it is unprovable.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Magenta for illegal voters!

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

According to this post by Direckshun, at least in PA, people without ID's are able to get a free state issued ID so that they are able to vote.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=751

And it appears that is the case in most, however in Pennsylvania, they don't know if they'll be able to issue them all in time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...elections-2012

[BWillie]

Yes, requiring people to confirm they are US citizens to vote is racist. Why on EARTH would you NOT verify someone's ID that is going to vote. It makes no sense to me why you would this practice is not ALREADY implemented EVERYWHERE.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

The past week or so there have been arrests in Iowa for illegal voting by illegal aliens in the past presidential election. Some Mexican, some Canadian.

You have to show id for a plethora of items less important than voting.

Any person with nothing to hide could get an ID for a few dollars and their life will be easier by having it, assuming they are a legal resident.

In other countries, people will walk 10 miles and stand in long lines risking suicide bombers to vote and proudly show an ink dipped finger, but its too much to ask our citizens to show an ID they may have to show to get into a movie or buy a pack of smokes.

There were 3 arrests and 2 of them were Canadian.

[Iowanian]

Yes.

That's part of my point that it's not just a ploy to stop Mexicans from voting.
It's a way to ensure a legal, legitimate voting outcome.

Illegal Canadian votes are just as bad as Pablo Escobar's.


More arrests are pending.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

Yes.

That's part of my point that it's not just a ploy to stop Mexicans from voting.
It's a way to ensure a legal, legitimate voting outcome.

Illegal Canadian votes are just as bad as Pablo Escobar's.


More arrests are pending.

Suuuuuuuuuure there are. There more than likely not get any convictions either because in Iowa, you have to knowingly commit voter fraud. All those people have to say is they thought they were entitled to vote and it's not a crime.