Obama Cardinal Dolan says they will not yield to Obama

HonestChieffan · 03-04-2012, 07:53 PM

(CNSNews.com) – Cardinal Timothy Dolan, archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, sent a letter on Friday to all the Catholic bishops of the United States reasserting the conviction of the Catholic Church that it will not yield to the Obama administration’s command—issued in the form of a Health and Human Services regulation implementing the president’s health-care plan–that Catholics and Catholic institutions must violate the teachings of their faith by purchasing and providing health insurance plans that pay for sterilizations, contraceptives and abortifacients.

“We have made it clear in no uncertain terms to the government that we are not at peace with its invasive attempt to curtail the religious freedom we cherish as Catholics and Americans,” Cardinal Dolan wrote his brother bishops.

“We did not ask for this fight, but we will not run from it,” he said.

“Since January 20, when the final, restrictive HHS Rule was first announced,” Cardinal Dolan wrote, “we have become certain of two things: religious freedom is under attack, and we will not cease our struggle to protect it.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/top-...ill-not-run-it

ClevelandBronco · 03-04-2012, 08:08 PM

Bravo, Your Eminence. Bravo.

ClevelandBronco · 03-04-2012, 08:15 PM

Y'know, it's relatively easy to divide and conquer Protestants, but it's just politically stupid to pick a fight with the Catholic Church.

Superbowltrashcan · 03-04-2012, 08:24 PM

The Cardinal may be setting himself up for a real problem if he tries to finally address the hypocrisy of the church position on this and many other issues as it compares to the actual practices of the practicing members of the American flock.... And yeah I am Catholic so I am not attacking an institution I am not familiar with....

ClevelandBronco · 03-04-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Superbowltrashcan

The Cardinal may be setting himself up for a real problem if he tries to finally address the hypocrisy of the church position on this and many other issues as it compares to the actual practices of the practicing members of the American flock.... And yeah I am Catholic so I am not attacking an institution I am not familiar with....

Perhaps – just perhaps – the problem is with the flock and not the Church.

Bewbies · 03-04-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Perhaps – just perhaps – the problem is with the flock and not the Church.

The problem is with the govt...

Bewbies · 03-04-2012, 08:28 PM

When Obama demands that Jews and Muslims eat pork maybe people would see a govt overstepping its bounds?

Superbowltrashcan · 03-04-2012, 08:30 PM

The Church position on this has narrowed severely since Vatican 2. Pretty sure they will be able to withstand any loss of revenue from the backlash though...

ClevelandBronco · 03-04-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

The problem is with the govt...

Well, yeah, but I think that Mr. Superbowltrashcan was suggesting that the Catholic Church might be better off following its sheep rather than shepherding them.

HonestChieffan · 03-04-2012, 08:37 PM

Catholic Church will be around long after Obama

mikey23545 · 03-04-2012, 08:49 PM

They better watch out or they may find they have to wear a yellow star attached to their clothing when out in public...

**dirk digler** · 03-04-2012, 08:50 PM

We are ****ing pissed and we will fight over covering contraception but we will continue to hide all the priests that are molesting your children.

Awesome

**AustinChief** · 03-04-2012, 09:10 PM

What amazes me about all of this is the idea that something as PURELY elective as contraception should even be CONSIDERED to be covered. When it comes to a national health care system, why are elective procedure even in the conversation?

Elective medicine has NO PLACE in a national health care mandate. Period.

Why stop at the Pill. Why not diet pills? Breast augmentation(I'm all for this actually), liposuction, fertility drugs, sex change operations, hair transplants, rogaine?

HonestChieffan · 03-04-2012, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief

What amazes me about all of this is the idea that something as PURELY elective as contraception should even be CONSIDERED to be covered. When it comes to a national health care system, why are elective procedure even in the conversation?

Elective medicine has NO PLACE in a national health care mandate. Period.

Why stop at the Pill. Why not diet pills? Breast augmentation(I'm all for this actually), liposuction, fertility drugs, sex change operations, hair transplants, rogaine?

Well, you fail to understand this is a right. Once you buy into the idea its a right like free pot, a check every month, TV, and abortions you will cease to be amazed.

Ain't that something?

**AustinChief** · 03-04-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Well, you fail to understand this is a right. Once you buy into the idea its a right like free pot, a check every month, TV, and abortions you will cease to be amazed.

Ain't that something?

ok, then how do we get "self image modification" to be a right? If we are going to hell, we may as well be surrounded by medically enhanced hot women while we go.

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