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Old 09-26-2012, 08:23 AM  
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Paging Conservatives: The 2012 Republican POTUS Candidates
This is a thread specifically for Republicans and conservatives on this forum.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the sense that just about every one of you really don't like Mitt Romney as a Presidential candidate against Obama. That may not be universally true of all of you folks, but I'd think it's true of much of you, if not nearly all of you.

At the same time, outside of the minority of you who were big on Ron Paul, Romney was unquestionably the best candidate for your party out of the primaries, was he not? At least among the people who were doing anything in the polls. Santorum led at one point, as did Michelle Bachmann but I think all the DC conservatives here hate both. I don't think a single one of you have an ounce of respect for Newt Gingrich or Herman Cain as POTUS candidates (my apologies if you actually do). And Rick Perry was... well, Rick Perry.

Yes, I know most of you would prefer almost all those folks to Obama, but that doesn't change the fact that this seemed like a particularly weak crop.

I am not a conservative or a Republican, but I think compared to previous primary fields for your party, this was a very weak cycle in terms of POTUS candidates.

My question is -- why do you think that is? Why do you think we had such a weak crop of POTUS candidates for your party?

Because right now, it really does seem like the GOP has a deeper bench of people that have Presidential timber than do the Democrats, who outside of Obama and Hillary Clinton, don't really have much of a bench at all. And yet... these candidates didn't seem to have their shit together.

I'm just interested in picking your brains. I'm not even remotely interested in debating or arguing, just wanted to see what your points of view on the subject might be.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:17 AM   #76
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Do you know what an apologist is? Have you ever heard of the term "Christian apologist?"
You are correct in where you are going with this. That isn't what is meant by that term in the context used when referring to obama and you know it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:20 AM   #77
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Too moderate and they nominated Romney?
Romney won by default.

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And McCain as well.
McCain ran a rightwing campaign.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:21 AM   #78
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Maybe, just maybe, if the whole loafers didn't make the argument that '1/2 loaf is just as evil as no loaf' when the 'RWNJ' compromises, then 'why are you bitching about 2/3 loaf when your guy tossed around 1/2 loaves like they were pennies' when their guy compromises. And maybe they could ascertain why all those people in flyover country are so mad about 2/3 loaf beyond 'well, they must be racists, only possible explanation.' Maybe the discussion would be different.

And I submit that, when people are honest with themselves, there's a STRONG majority who concede 1/3-3/5 of a loaf is about as far was we should be going. They just get wrapped up in ancillary issues and identity politics and stuff those painful admissions down down down.
While I agree with your second paragraph, the first paragraph is just attempting to pin a common folly of both sides to only liberals/Democrats.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:30 AM   #79
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Difference being, Romney's never said he wants Medicare gone, Social Security gone, or a return of slavery.

OTOH, Obama has, with his very own lips, gums, and vibrating vocal cords, stated that these compromises 'pave the way' to the 'desired end result'

Public option paves the way to single payer, paving the way to universal health care and government provided care as a right.

Environmental restrictions pave the way to cap and trade, paving the way to coal, nuclear and fossil fuels becoming so expensive that government programs can replace them with renewables.

Government intrusion into healthcare paves the way into a shared responsibility for healthy citizens, paving the way for governmental guidance of diet and exercise habits.

These are Obama enunciated rationales, not my personal fever dream concoctions. But again, you know this but prefer to mischaracterize and lie for your little precious patch of turf.
We already have government provided health care programs, subsidized renewable energy industries, and governmental guidance of diet and exercise (see the food pyramid). What are your real concerns? That Obama proposes federal regulations of pop, candy, and mayonnaise? That every citizen is going to have to do weekly physical checkups with their government bureaucrat in order to get their rationed food basket? That private gas companies are going to be illegal?

Are those not your own biases or illusions or imputations of the liberal/Obama agenda?
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:37 AM   #80
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Romney won by default.
He wouldn't have if Christie would have run.

You guys aren't done dealing with Christie yet. If Obama wins this year I think he'll be the 2016 rep nominee.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:52 AM   #81
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He wouldn't have if Christie would have run.

You guys aren't done dealing with Christie yet. If Obama wins this year I think he'll be the 2016 rep nominee.
Its always easy to say how great someone would have been. I'm not sure how well Christie's Jersey loudmouth act would play. He's also got a big problem--he is very big. He's enormous. I think it would be an issue.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:13 PM   #82
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He wouldn't have if Christie would have run.
Why didn't he run, if he could have secured the nomination so easily?
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:21 PM   #83
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Romeny and Obama are the same damn candidate...just different rhetoric.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:28 PM   #84
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The crop of candidates sucked because for the last 10 years or so there was only one way of thinking in the Republican party: Must be pro-life and neo-conservative on foreign policy.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:29 PM   #85
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He wouldn't have if Christie would have run.

You guys aren't done dealing with Christie yet. If Obama wins this year I think he'll be the 2016 rep nominee.
As a republican aren't you disappointed in Christie. The 2012 race would be very winnable for any republican candidate. Instead Romney only faced two has beens in Santorum and Gingrich. If you compare the last three republican presidents with the last three democratic presidents what jumps out is that the republican candidate were all status quo. Reagan had run four years earlier, George Bush was Vice President and Junior was the son of a former president. I don't know about Jimmy Carter but both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were underdogs when there started. If Romney loses than its nearly guaranteed that Rick Perry will be the candidate. He served his time and it will now his turn.
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If Romney loses than its nearly guaranteed that Rick Perry will be the candidate. He served his time and it will now his turn.
Served his time? He dropped out early and made an ass of himself along the way. "His turn" would fall to Santorum.
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Its always easy to say how great someone would have been. I'm not sure how well Christie's Jersey loudmouth act would play. He's also got a big problem--he is very big. He's enormous. I think it would be an issue.
As I said before, if anyone on the Dem side ever actually criticized as unfit for office due to weight, liberals would be up in arms about the bigotry of such a critique.

But if it's the 'other side' who's fielding a portly candidate, they have no compunction about suggesting it ominously.

It's a ridiculous suggestion, but they've had such 'success' with these kinds of 'Tokyo Rose' attacks in the past that they just can't resist.

"Come on Joe, you're losing this war, go home Joe, your family misses you, no one wants you to fight any more, they just want you home, they're getting lonely Joe, the milk man is looking good, Joe.'
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As a republican aren't you disappointed in Christie. The 2012 race would be very winnable for any republican candidate. Instead Romney only faced two has beens in Santorum and Gingrich. If you compare the last three republican presidents with the last three democratic presidents what jumps out is that the republican candidate were all status quo. Reagan had run four years earlier, George Bush was Vice President and Junior was the son of a former president. I don't know about Jimmy Carter but both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were underdogs when there started. If Romney loses than its nearly guaranteed that Rick Perry will be the candidate. He served his time and it will now his turn.
Rick Perry? Yeah, he did great until he actually opened his mouth and spoke.
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:49 PM   #89
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He wouldn't have if Christie would have run.

You guys aren't done dealing with Christie yet. If Obama wins this year I think he'll be the 2016 rep nominee.
Christie's different for sure.
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