Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The GET IN MAH BELLY! Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-26-2012, 02:15 PM  
La literatura La literatura is offline
MVP
 
La literatura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Casino cash: $50809
History Trivia Question: 40 acres and a mule

You might remember from your history classes about the radical Republican idea to provide former slaves with "40 acres and a mule."

My question to you all: where did they come up with the 40 acres?
Posts: 7,171
La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 02:25 PM   #2
Baby Lee Baby Lee is online now
Cake Boss!!
 
Baby Lee's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: 456 Lick My Butthole Lane
Casino cash: $137654
Quote:
Originally Posted by Literature View Post
You might remember from your history classes about the radical Republican idea to provide former slaves with "40 acres and a mule."

My question to you all: where did they come up with the 40 acres?
Hint: The metric system wasn't much used, and was barely introduced, in America at the time.

EDIT: Think Sections, Divisions, Subdivisions, and Homesteads.
__________________
I've got a real red wagon!!

Last edited by Baby Lee; 09-26-2012 at 02:39 PM..
Posts: 40,346
Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 02:34 PM   #3
Aries Walker Aries Walker is online now
Back again.
 
Aries Walker's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Aspen Hill, MD
Casino cash: $50988
There was no complex mathematical formula involved; Sherman wanted to placate the black people he was freeing with the promise of a bunch of land all their own, so he made the number up. It's really about that simple.
Posts: 4,268
Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:13 PM   #4
Amnorix Amnorix is offline
In BB I trust
 
Amnorix's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Boston, Mass.
Casino cash: $212383
Would have come from former slave owners, if I understand your question correctly. Never got far.
__________________
"I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
Posts: 32,919
Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:16 PM   #5
Aries Walker Aries Walker is online now
Back again.
 
Aries Walker's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Aspen Hill, MD
Casino cash: $50988
Oh, I was reading it as "where did they get the number 40".

The idea was that Sherman, during his March to the Sea, would seize white slave-owners' lands (plantations, basically) and give them to the black people. It didn't last; as soon as Johnson took over, he cancelled the whole deal, and gave the land back to the whites it was taken from.
Posts: 4,268
Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Aries Walker is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:19 PM   #6
Baby Lee Baby Lee is online now
Cake Boss!!
 
Baby Lee's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: 456 Lick My Butthole Lane
Casino cash: $137654
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aries Walker View Post
Oh, I was reading it as "where did they get the number 40".
That's what I thought the question was. If it's as Amno is stating, yeah, it was a swath of abandoned, but still titled, land in the SE US.

The mules weren't part of the proclamation, Sherman just had a bunch of mules left over from the campaign that he let applicants pick from to run their farming operations.

If it's as I original understood it, 40 acres is 1/4 mile x 1/4 mile. Original surveyors designated Sections as 1x1 mi., then divided 1/2x1/2 and subdivided into 16 40 acre plots in a square mile.

The cynic in me is half expecting Jenson to bring in some theory that 40 acres was 1/4 of a Homestead, like N***ers were 1/4 of a citizen.
__________________
I've got a real red wagon!!
Posts: 40,346
Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:29 PM   #7
La literatura La literatura is offline
MVP
 
La literatura's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2011
Casino cash: $50809
I'm thinking, 'Where did they come up with the number 40,' not, from whom do they take the land from.

Why 40, and not 30 or 50?
Posts: 7,171
La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:36 PM   #8
La literatura La literatura is offline
MVP
 
La literatura's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2011
Casino cash: $50809
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baby Lee View Post
If it's as I original understood it, 40 acres is 1/4 mile x 1/4 mile. Original surveyors designated Sections as 1x1 mi., then divided 1/2x1/2 and subdivided into 16 40 acre plots in a square mile.
You sound like a lawyer trained west of the Alleghenies. It wouldn't surprise me if Amnorix had never known that because there was no large scale, uniformed surveying in the original colonies, whose counties form around waters.
Posts: 7,171
La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:38 PM   #9
La literatura La literatura is offline
MVP
 
La literatura's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2011
Casino cash: $50809
There is no book that I can find about this huge project of surveying the entire country west of the Allegheny Mtns, and there should be one. I guess I'll have to do it.
Posts: 7,171
La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:38 PM   #10
Pawnmower Pawnmower is offline
MVP
 
Pawnmower's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Northern California
Casino cash: $100
I think standard block of land (i forgot the name) was like 160 acres or 320...way back in the day....My dad had a 40 acre block and some of my other relatives had 160 / 80 acre blocks...

So my answer is that 40 is 25% of 160, and a common small piece back in the dizzle.
__________________
**** Left CP 9-4-2013 **** Mod Harassment, requested by a more "in" user
Posts: 13,174
Pawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < CasselPawnmower < Cassel
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:39 PM   #11
ChiefsCountry ChiefsCountry is offline
MVP
 
ChiefsCountry's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Lake of the Ozarks
Casino cash: $668835
Its 1/16 of a section of land, which 640 acres.
Posts: 27,120
ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:40 PM   #12
Baby Lee Baby Lee is online now
Cake Boss!!
 
Baby Lee's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: 456 Lick My Butthole Lane
Casino cash: $137654
Quote:
Originally Posted by Literature View Post
You sound like a lawyer trained west of the Alleghenies. It wouldn't surprise me if Amnorix had never known that because there was no large scale, uniformed surveying in the original colonies, whose counties form around waters.
Heh, more like growing up in KC, where the numbered streets are in 1/10s of miles. Most suburban blocks are 1/10 x 2/10 [learned that when I got a 10 speed with a speedometer on it]. Then it occured to me things like 195th street is just shy of 20 miles [ie, 19.5] from downtown.
__________________
I've got a real red wagon!!
Posts: 40,346
Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:42 PM   #13
JonesCrusher JonesCrusher is offline
Knock Knock
 
JonesCrusher's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Southeast Wisconsin
Casino cash: $44127
Quote:
Originally Posted by Literature View Post
I'm thinking, 'Where did they come up with the number 40,' not, from whom do they take the land from.

Why 40, and not 30 or 50?
Is starting a thread the first thought that comes to mind when you have a random question?
Posts: 771
JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JonesCrusher must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:44 PM   #14
Amnorix Amnorix is offline
In BB I trust
 
Amnorix's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Boston, Mass.
Casino cash: $212383
Ah, why 40? Yeah, no clue. West of Mississippi land stuff -- also no clue.
__________________
"I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
Posts: 32,919
Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 03:48 PM   #15
La literatura La literatura is offline
MVP
 
La literatura's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2011
Casino cash: $50809
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pawnmower View Post
I think standard block of land (i forgot the name) was like 160 acres or 320...way back in the day....My dad had a 40 acre block and some of my other relatives had 160 / 80 acre blocks...

So my answer is that 40 is 25% of 160, and a common small piece back in the dizzle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry View Post
Its 1/16 of a section of land, which 640 acres.
Yeah, you guys know your stuff. 640 acres is a square mile, and that's how the entire frontier was basically chalked off. And within that square mile, you divided into quarters, which could again be. and commonly was, divided into quarters.

And every title abstract and legal description of land that's not platted in a city (and maybe some that is), starts off being called something like "The NW1/4 of the SE1/4 of [that particularly labeled square mile (e.g., Sec. 12 of Township 13 of Range 14)

Last edited by La literatura; 09-26-2012 at 04:22 PM..
Posts: 7,171
La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.La literatura is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.