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Old 09-27-2012, 04:37 PM  
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:23 AM   #91
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I thought it was such an obvious sarcasm post that I didn't need to put a smilie in there.
Oh, my bad! I thought you were dead serious!
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:37 AM   #92
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What those graphs tell me if they are true is the jobs added back must be minimum wage or something considering the average household income has dropped 4.8% since the recession was over. Yeah, that's something to be proud of. Scream it in the streets.

Another thing I take from them is the economy is slowing down. Awesome. Forward.

Another is Obama hasn't figured out how to run on a budget and his spending is out of control.

Housing and stock market are up, which is nice. Wish I had that 2% of SS funds Bush pushed for in the market. I'd be money ahead.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:25 AM   #93
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The economy hit pretty much a valley. Of course the economy was going to pick up, regardless of the President.

I'm less concerned about job growth as I am whether the fundamentals are in place to create long-term job growth. They're not. Bush and Obama are both guilty.

The problem is most of what you post focuses on "revenue" and not "cost." Considering how much we've spent on boosting the economy by printing money and government stimulus, you'd expect better growth than this. That's not ROI. That's like spending $1M on a small business and then celebrating because you created 5 jobs.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:31 AM   #94
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This issue is real, but it's not anything that a President is likely to impact.

Corporations are increasingly focused on fattening the wallets of the senior executives, and less on both stockholders and, especially, employees. Wages are flat or pathetic, despite booming profits and swelling corporate coffers.

I have no idea what the fix is for that, but even if there is one, I doubt Romney would pursue it.

Look! Squiggly lines!!
I would agree with this, though let's not pretend this is the major source of the problem. It's just a part of the problem.

And both sides are wrong on this. Republicans have to stop defending executives who are basically fattening their wallets as crony boards of directors let them get away with compensation way beyond what he/she deserves. And yes, some degree of regulation is absolutely necessary to keep this compensation from getting out of control. The liberals, to me, have got to stop with the bullshit nonsense that we should cripple corporations by reducing outsourcing and increasing business regulations (which are both bad policy applied mostly for populist purposes).

Plain and simple, businesses need to invest back into the economy, and too much of those investment dollars are going into executive salaries and too much are going into complying with nonsensical government regulations.
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:13 AM   #95
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One month before the election and the unemployment # is back to where it was when we were losing 850K jobs a month. On the edge of a possible depression to the start of a recovery.

You can say it should have been quicker and not last as long but you cant say we are not in recovery. But, if that's your argument, I refer you to Clintons speech.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:38 AM   #96
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One month before the election and the unemployment # is back to where it was when we were losing 850K jobs a month. On the edge of a possible depression to the start of a recovery.

You can say it should have been quicker and not last as long but you cant say we are not in recovery. But, if that's your argument, I refer you to Clintons speech.
So your argument is that the guy whose economic team told us he could prevent unemployment from going over 8% is now claiming success because after nearly 4 straight years of 8+% unemployment, he's ready to "start" a recovery. What a sad case you're forced to make.

BTW, don't look now, but the economy is on the brink of a double dip.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:48 AM   #97
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So your argument is that the guy whose economic team told us he could prevent unemployment from going over 8% is now claiming success because after nearly 4 straight years of 8+% unemployment, he's ready to "start" a recovery. What a sad case you're forced to make.
4.5 million jobs is a good "start". We have lots of unfinished economic business to recover yet. There is no way in hell you are ever going to convince me That giving tax breaks weighed heavily towards millionaires and billionaires is going to make a recovery any faster and deregulated business is going to be better than what we're doing now.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:59 AM   #98
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4.5 million jobs is a good "start". We have lots of unfinished economic business to recover yet. There is no way in hell you are ever going to convince me That giving tax breaks weighed heavily towards millionaires and billionaires is going to make a recovery any faster and deregulated business is going to be better than what we're doing now.
I'm glad Jim Jones didn't get a hold of you, BigKoolaidChugger.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:03 PM   #99
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One month before the election and the unemployment # is back to where it was when we were losing 850K jobs a month. On the edge of a possible depression to the start of a recovery.
If you you really think today's numbers are accurate, then you are completely out of touch. Today's numbers make zero sense and our economy is on the verge of another double dip.
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4.5 million jobs is a good "start". We have lots of unfinished economic business to recover yet. There is no way in hell you are ever going to convince me That giving tax breaks weighed heavily towards millionaires and billionaires is going to make a recovery any faster and deregulated business is going to be better than what we're doing now.
Nobody needs to convince you of anything. You're in the hopeless crowd. Your mind is already made up. You have exactly the type of mindset that is destroying our country. It's the undecided folks is who need convincing. Debate # 1 was a good start of doing just that.
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Whatever, take the graph back to the beginning of the Pelosi/Reid/Bush Regime?

Congressman Barnies frank, forced banks to loan money to have nots. Then they walked away from loans they couldn't afford, Bernank printed trillions, the rest is history.

Rock Obama borrows and spends as much as he can, the fed prints the money and hands it to him.

How is that bacon price? How is the price of corn? Gasoline?

How is the unemployment rate working?

He don't give a damn about poor people, just implementing marxist change.


Rule 1: Debauch the currency.

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Go ahead, America is his bitch. Go ahead and vote for him.
You do realize that deregulation is a Republican value and was Republican legislation right?
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:29 PM   #102
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So you don't know they are wrong, but you are just assuming they are either wrong or distorted to fit an agenda.
When one source has a blatantly obvious agenda, I'd say it's quite a bit less reliable, whether or not I know them to be correct or not.
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Let's take BRC's first graph for example. Is it an unbiased fact to show that data set in isolation or should the context of a larger span of time be shown? The time span selected focuses on Obama's term, which makes sense, but if you look at the months preceding Obama's inauguration (for lack of a better chart I'll use one that projects an unlikely future as well)...



... we see that Obama's term started fairly deep in an employment trough. If anything, it should be easier to create jobs when so much labor is available than it would have been to create jobs at peak employment. Furthermore, a bigger picture view of this data shows that Obama's "break even or so" leaves us way behind where we were mere months before he took over. Even though you can't blame him for losses that preceded him, his performance is cast in a different light if it looks like he's returned us to an employment maximum than when it looks like he's barely recovered from the losses that did happen on his watch and now, despite tepid job growth numbers, a huge hill still remains ahead to get the country back where it was 5 long years ago.
What kind of logic is this? Less people have jobs, and therefore less people have money. Why would it be easier to create jobs? Because people have money, much less disposable income to spend on goods and services?

Stopping the downward spiral of job loss and putting people back to work was a monumental task...
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Nobody needs to convince you of anything. You're in the hopeless crowd. Your mind is already made up. You have exactly the type of mindset that is destroying our country. It's the undecided folks is who need convincing. Debate # 1 was a good start of doing just that.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:04 AM   #105
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These more jobs have people making less money. hey, thats great getting more people to work at Mcdonalds and wendys! bravo!
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