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Old 09-28-2012, 05:55 PM  
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What makes you a Democrat?

For you liberals out there...what do you think it means to be a democrat and/or why do you vote democrat?
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:14 AM   #61
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Then why do democrats attack the 2nd amendment?, serious question here.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:48 AM   #62
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3. A. disbelief in charity and community.
True. Personally, I think that they just don't give a shit about people and they'd rather have the government take care of it for them.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:57 AM   #63
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This is funny. It's been done before so let me tell you how this goes. First you ask the question. Second you try to use what you describe as your super enlightened intellect to explain to us how we're wrong and convert us. Third you realize that you don't have a super enlightened intellect and then call us names. Fourth, you get mad and start calling names and insulting(and with your clown shoes over dramatic explosions of late probably say you're going to whip someone's ass), and then finally we laugh at you
actually that sounds a lot like conservatives. I love how every one of them treats Mitt's word as the gospel.

Seriously though, the R candidate could be Carrot Top and all of you would still vote for him.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:01 PM   #64
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:10 PM   #65
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What makes people Democrats?

1. A thirst for other people's money.
2. Belief in a larger, more intrusive government.
3. A. disbelief in charity and community.
Sure. You mean like Mitt Romney driving businesses into the ground and letting the government come in and bail it out, or when he sucked up billions of federal dollars for his Salt Lake Olympics? Idealogues are so stupid.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:23 PM   #66
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I think there are two answers to this question.

Psychologically, liberalism just lines more up with the way I think. Conservatives and political parties in general think more win/lose, right/wrong, in absolutes. Liberals tend to think more about pluralism, nuance, and probabilities. Studies have confirmed this generally, and it's been my personal experience. It just fits my style of thinking better.

Politically, I'm a supporter of capitalism and private-owned enterprise over government-owned industry. I believe a free market is the engine of a progressive society, and the invisible hand can not only drive forward the quality of life for everybody in that market, it can also empower a nation to the extraordinary extent that it can serve as a powerful guide for other nations attempting to do the same.

At the same time, I believe that there are in-built defects of capitalism -- it is a competition, after all. And you're going to have people who win, and people who don't win. People who thrive, people who get by, and people who struggle. It's impossible to have a capitalist system where you don't also have poverty, homelessness, unemployment, starvation... So I do believe in a safety net provided by those who are getting by to help out those who aren't. This does necessitate more collective action through the government, but that's why I also believe in separation of powers, checks and balances, and absolute government accountability and hate any organizations (including the White House itself) that resist any of these.

Capitalism in general is an inequality creator, which isn't inherently bad but inequality can have some poisonous defects, some of which I highlighted in the above paragraph. Inequality can, for instance, put people in extreme positions of power over others, and allow some entities to openly abuse others. In these instances I favor strong, reasonable, accountable regulation of these entities to protect the least of our brothers and sisters.

I could go on, but that's the baseline ideology that makes sense to me.
Good post here. I tend to fall in line with this type of thinking.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:49 PM   #67
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I vote both ways depending on the person/role but the reason I vote dem when I do is mainly because of economic policy. Repubs are usually more interested in big business, dems try to protect the little guy. That said, I also think we have too much in the way of social programs so I'd be up for some major reforms on that side as well. Too many from both party toe the company line a bit too much instead of trying to find the middle ground and that's what's messed up the country over the past 12 years. Work together dammit!
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:09 PM   #68
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dems try to protect the little guy. :
Yes, That just what I thought last summer when Obamas EPA Czar wannabees started crying & threatening me with a $2,500.00 ticket. Cause the sand & water we clean the masonry mixer out with was dangerous & could get into the ground water.
ITS ****ING SAND & WATER! what ever EPA guy? We now build a lil stupid dirt berm around the mixer.


EDIT / Never seen OSHA out in force in new housing developments before the spring of 2011 either.

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Old 09-29-2012, 01:43 PM   #69
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:00 PM   #70
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Yes, That just what I thought last summer when Obamas EPA Czar wannabees started crying & threatening me with a $2,500.00 ticket. Cause the sand & water we clean the masonry mixer out with was dangerous & could get into the ground water.
ITS ****ING SAND & WATER! what ever EPA guy? We now build a lil stupid dirt berm around the mixer.


EDIT / Never seen OSHA out in force in new housing developments before the spring of 2011 either.
You complain about the govt saving the planet? tsk tsk

Sand and Water will kill us all, look at what happens when sand gets in our collective vag's
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:19 PM   #71
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:30 PM   #72
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I thirst for no ones money, I make my own and do just fine. I believe that the government has the responsibility to ensure equal opportunity, if that's intrusive to you, so be it. Your third statement is preposterous.


Like the freedoms for gays to marry or the freedom to have an abortion? Are those 2 freedoms we hate?
The Democrat party may be about "equality" but I don't view it as being about equal opportunity, and surely not personal responsibility.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:57 PM   #73
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The Democrat party may be about "equality" but I don't view it as being about equal opportunity, and surely not personal responsibility.
"equal oppertunity" can mean many different things to many people.

I've been very vocal about that part of the party. **** the freeloaders. Help up, not hand out. You get a limited time on the government dime. You need to use that time well or you are on your own. There should be a minimum tax for every citizen.

I voted for Ronald Reagan twice and George H.. The Republicans lost me when that went all big brother/government and decided to allow the extreme parts of the party dictate policy. Just like they are losing more people today.

The party of individual liberty and freedom began advocating using the government to dictate morality to its citzens. You get pregnant, your body belongs to the government for 9 months. You want to get married, fine, as long as you are not gay. The drug war, putting people who are caught with a couple of joints in jail for years will stop drug abuse?
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:14 PM   #74
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The Democrat party may be about "equality" but I don't view it as being about equal opportunity, and surely not personal responsibility.


You are exactly what's wrong with this country.

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Old 09-29-2012, 03:25 PM   #75
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The party of individual liberty and freedom began advocating using the government to dictate morality to its citzens. . . You want to get married, fine, as long as you are not gay.
Whatever arguments there are regarding gay marriage, that denial of state recognition is an intrusion on personal lives isn't one.

Gay people can have marriage ceremonies and live the personal lives as a married couple as they wish.

The issue at hand is governmental recognition and the bestowal of peculiar rights and fiscal status. That's asking for MORE government intrusion, just in a 'good way,' a way that they desire.
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