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Old 09-28-2012, 05:55 PM  
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What makes you a Democrat?

For you liberals out there...what do you think it means to be a democrat and/or why do you vote democrat?
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:45 PM   #76
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You get pregnant, your body belongs to the government for 9 months. You want to get married, fine, as long as you are not gay.
Your body belongs to the govt? Just because you can't murder your child?
I don't get that part.

Govt should have NO involvement in your marriage..there it's equal.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:03 PM   #77
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actually that sounds a lot like conservatives. I love how every one of them treats Mitt's word as the gospel.

Seriously though, the R candidate could be Carrot Top and all of you would still vote for him.
Your endorsement would generally be considered a bad thing by most people of that party.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:08 PM   #78
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When I actually voted Democrat and endorsed the party:

I felt like it was the party of inclusion. It was socially liberal, allowing for equal rights for all. I also felt like it attempted to balance out unfettered capitalism, looking out for the "little guy" in a system that favors corporate entities.

I never actually thought that it did any of those things, but I felt like it came closer to doing it than the other option. Now, I'm not sure that it doesn't do as much harm as goo.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:10 PM   #79
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Whatever arguments there are regarding gay marriage, that denial of state recognition is an intrusion on personal lives isn't one.

Gay people can have marriage ceremonies and live the personal lives as a married couple as they wish.

The issue at hand is governmental recognition and the bestowal of peculiar rights and fiscal status. That's asking for MORE government intrusion, just in a 'good way,' a way that they desire.
I don't see it that way. I see it as government providing benefits for some and denying benefits to others based on a religious value. That is discrimination.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:16 PM   #80
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When I actually voted Democrat and endorsed the party:

I felt like it was the party of inclusion. It was socially liberal, allowing for equal rights for all. I also felt like it attempted to balance out unfettered capitalism, looking out for the "little guy" in a system that favors corporate entities.

I never actually thought that it did any of those things, but I felt like it came closer to doing it than the other option. Now, I'm not sure that it doesn't do as much harm as goo.
I think extremists, as a rule, take things to far no matter what. Sure a beers good but too much will kill you.

How much harm does goo do?
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:20 PM   #81
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Your body belongs to the govt? Just because you can't murder your child?
I don't get that part.

Govt should have NO involvement in your marriage..there it's equal.
Ask him how he feels about Obama care, and the logic is mind blowing.

The government is going to own where, when and how you eat soon, because, they need to keep their health bills down.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:27 PM   #82
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The issue at hand is governmental recognition and the bestowal of peculiar rights and fiscal status. That's asking for MORE government intrusion, just in a 'good way,' a way that they desire.
What a bunch of BS. Just a bunch of words being twisted to try to conceal their bigotry.

They are not asking for special status or recognition. Just the same rights as heterosexuals. Equal rights. You know, that all men are created equal thingy.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:21 PM   #83
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What a bunch of BS. Just a bunch of words being twisted to try to conceal their bigotry.

They are not asking for special status or recognition. Just the same rights as heterosexuals. Equal rights. You know, that all men are created equal thingy.
By whom BRC?
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:36 PM   #84
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For you liberals out there...what do you think it means to be a democrat and/or why do you vote democrat?
Someone has to stop the Republicans from accelerating the Reagonomic redistribution of wealth upwards or the middle class will erode faster. Dems are the only game in town who can possibly counter Republican genuflection to the corporate elite. Might be too late.... "Citizens" United may have already sealed our fate.

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Old 09-29-2012, 07:46 PM   #85
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What a bunch of BS. Just a bunch of words being twisted to try to conceal their bigotry.

They are not asking for special status or recognition. Just the same rights as heterosexuals. Equal rights. You know, that all men are created equal thingy.
We've been through this like a bajllion times already, but as usual you block your ears and yell neener-neener whenever simple concepts bounce off your lizard brain.

The government isn't disallowing anything that doesn't require government intrusion. They can live together, pledge loyalty and love, ask that others refer to them as married, call each other husband wife, spouse whatever.

Marriage licenses are government sticking it's nose in. Tax status is government intrusion. Full faith and credit is government sticking it's nose in.

I'm not even against gay marriage, it's just stultifying to refer to it as equal rights or standing against government intrusion. Using those terms suggest nothing more than that the user doesn't understand what they mean.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:05 PM   #86
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:09 PM   #87
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as a young Psyko Tek , in 73, I would come home from a hard day of grade schooling, 3rd grade finger painting was a bitch
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It's just stultifying to refer to it as equal rights or standing against government intrusion. Using those terms suggest nothing more than that the user doesn't understand what they mean.
And I know a number of gay lawyers that would completely disagree.

But the REAL issue has nothing to do with government, etc. It has to do with the fact that nearly half of the country's population believes it's "wrong" because that's what their bible says.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:22 PM   #89
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We've been through this like a bajllion times already, but as usual you block your ears and yell neener-neener whenever simple concepts bounce off your lizard brain.

The government isn't disallowing anything that doesn't require government intrusion. They can live together, pledge loyalty and love, ask that others refer to them as married, call each other husband wife, spouse whatever.

Marriage licenses are government sticking it's nose in. Tax status is government intrusion. Full faith and credit is government sticking it's nose in.

I'm not even against gay marriage, it's just stultifying to refer to it as equal rights or standing against government intrusion. Using those terms suggest nothing more than that the user doesn't understand what they mean.
Marriage is a religious institution.
However, if a couple, consisting of man and a woman, has their tax rate, retirement, and any other legal benefits affected by marriage, then that should be extended to ány other couple, outside of the religious institution of marriage. The government should not look at marriage as a status, due to it's religious nature, but look at it as a union. The union should have the same status regardless of the gender of the 2 that are inclosed in that set. To do otherwise is discrimination based on gender.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:25 PM   #90
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as a young Psyko Tek , in 73, I would come home from a hard day of grade schooling, 3rd grade finger painting was a bitch
just wanting to watch Calamity Jane show me cartoons,
but what was on
Watergate hearings
you try to get me to trust any republican after that
I feel you. I don't know about 73 cause I was born in 74, but I know in the 80s, an hour of toons after school and saturday morning was all you got. ****ing with that is ****ing with a grade schoolers emotions.
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