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Old 09-20-2012, 12:03 PM  
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Republicans love veterans

Senate Republicans Kill Veterans’ Jobs Bill

By Ben Armbruster on Sep 19, 2012 at 1:42 pm
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Senate Republicans prevented a veterans’ jobs bill from coming to a vote today by forcing a budget point of order vote. Democrats came up 2 votes short of the 60 needed to defeat the GOP’s budget measure.The Veterans Jobs Corps bill — which is part of President Obama’s push to secure jobs for veterans — would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT. The measure would have also provided young vets access to the infrastructure with which to assist in job searches, such as access to computers, internet and career services advisers.

The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a vets group that supported the legislation,called the GOP move “a huge disappointment,” adding, “Today, politics won over helping vets.”

While only five Republicans voted with the Democrats to waive the GOP budget point of order measure, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) led the GOP opposition. “When we find ourselves in $16 trillion of debt and we pay for a five-year bill over 10 years, we make the problem worse,” he said.

However, Veterans Jobs Corps bill co-sponsor Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) said on the Senate floor today that “this bill is fully paid for and does not violate pay-go rules.” (The New York Times said Murray’s aides say “say the program will be paid for by recovering more money from tax-delinquent Medicare providers and forcing big tax deadbeats to pay up before receiving passports.”)

Murray even tried to include most of the provisions of a competing Republican bill but Democrats still ran into opposition. Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said he would block the measure until the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden was freed, while Coburn claimed the bill would have no chance of passing the House so it wasn’t worth the effort.

“I’ve been surprised at the many obstacles and weird arguments that have been thrown at us,” Murray told the Washington Post.

The jobless rate for Iraq and Afghanistan war vets, while steadily declining, is still higher than the national average, yet congressional Republicans remain “resolute in their commitment to deny the Democrats anything that looks like an accomplishment in an election year.”

In an editorial last weekend referring to today’s vote, the New York Times said, “We’ll know then whether good sense prevailed, or the wheels have come completely off the Congressional machine.” It looks like the Republicans have made sure of the latter.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:04 PM   #2
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I don't see them dismantling all the other Veterans aid that are provided.

Providing jobs is a bit too much. Don't you think?
I mean did WWII veterans get jobs via govt?
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:13 PM   #3
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My natural inclination is to be ticked off because I believe our veterans deserve our help, respect and a hand up in transitioning from the military to the private sector but I need to know some answers before I formulate an opinion.

What are the Jobs?

How Long do they Last?

Do the Jobs actually need to be done?

Will these Jobs help in training our vets to re-enter the private sector?

What other pork is riding on the back of the bill?

And of Course where does the Billion come from?

If the answer to the last question is from the Salaries of our congressmen and senators I really don’t need the others answered.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:15 PM   #4
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Do you understand that one of the most pressing problems facing our country is one caused by spending beyond our means? How does passing any legislation that creates in 5 years what has to be paid for over 10 years going to help us with that problem? This is just another example of democrats putting electoral politics ahead of fixing the problems of the country and of Republicans being the responsible grownups in the room.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:42 PM   #5
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Aside from all this...why haven't we helped the Pakistani Doc that helped us find OBL?
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:46 PM   #6
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My natural inclination is to be ticked off because I believe our veterans deserve our help, respect and a hand up in transitioning from the military to the private sector but I need to know some answers before I formulate an opinion.

What are the Jobs?

How Long do they Last?

Do the Jobs actually need to be done?

Will these Jobs help in training our vets to re-enter the private sector?

What other pork is riding on the back of the bill?

And of Course where does the Billion come from?

If the answer to the last question is from the Salaries of our congressmen and senators I really don’t need the others answered.
— would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:48 PM   #7
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The costs would be covered by imposing a levy on Medicare suppliers and providers who are delinquent on their taxes, and repealing funds for a deep-water natural gas research and development program.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:48 PM   #8
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:52 PM   #9
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My natural inclination is to be ticked off because I believe our veterans deserve our help, respect and a hand up in transitioning from the military to the private sector but I need to know some answers before I formulate an opinion.

What are the Jobs?

How Long do they Last?

Do the Jobs actually need to be done?

Will these Jobs help in training our vets to re-enter the private sector?

What other pork is riding on the back of the bill?

And of Course where does the Billion come from?

If the answer to the last question is from the Salaries of our congressmen and senators I really don’t need the others answered.
Rand Paul had a great idea for how to pay for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMmYGkEtsrc
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:02 PM   #10
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— would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT.
I thought Veterans were “prioritized” for pretty much all Government jobs already. I know they are for Police, Air Traffic Controllers Postal workers. I would assume they are for fire fighters and EMTs.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:05 PM   #11
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I thought Veterans were “prioritized” for pretty much all Government jobs already.
They are. even more so if your a disabled vet.
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I thought Veterans were “prioritized” for pretty much all Government jobs already. I know they are for Police, Air Traffic Controllers Postal workers. I would assume they are for fire fighters and EMTs.
Yes, veterans do get priority for gubmint jobs.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:07 PM   #13
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Old 09-20-2012, 02:11 PM   #14
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Yea, our military guys just love Obama/Dems.
Retired ones, not so much. But active military is more pro-Democrat than you think.

Two pointless wars will do that.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:29 PM   #15
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Retired ones, not so much. But active military is more pro-Democrat than you think.

Two pointless wars will do that.
Seeing as I was in the military less than 2 years ago, I can say you are dead wrong on that.
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