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Old 10-01-2012, 11:37 AM  
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Will Romney lose the election because hes too rich?

Just MHO but i think the guy loses. Ive heard this same sort of response with alot of working class people when discussing Romney. (Both Repub and Dem)

Basically they cant relate because they think hes elitist.


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The Obama ad is called "Not One of Us," and that was another theme of my conversations with voters about Romney. (It's an insidious title -- can you imagine Romney making an anti-Obama ad called "not one of us" without getting shouted down for implicit racism?) Those opposed to Obama cited various reasons, from disappointment to anger to being convinced he's a Muslim. But the impressions of Romney were remarkably consistent: He's for the rich.

"I think Obama's more for the regular working class people, and Romney's for the big business and the well-to-do," said Eric Burkhead, the road and cemetery superintendent for Kirkwood Township, working on a truck in the gravel driveway of the local garage. The 66-year-old didn't like what he saw happening with coal and wasn't wild about Obamacare, but he planned to vote for Obama.

I heard it over and over again from Ohioans -- the idea that Romney stands for the wealthy and not for them. Obama's depiction of his rival as an out-of-touch rich guy, which has gotten no little assistance from Romney himself, has made a deep and effective impression with these self-consciously working-class voters.





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Old 10-01-2012, 01:25 PM   #16
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People who vote against Romney because he has been successful also can relate to Obama because he has been a failure? Losers hang with losers
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:27 PM   #17
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Well, its hard to be an incumbent in any election.
Every economic indicator shows that, historically, there is no way obama should win. Incumbents with his record of economic and employment failure have always lost.

Which tells me, since obama is up in the polls:

1- The Rs failed in their nomination/Romney has run a horrible campaign

2- The focus in elections has moved away from qualifications into image manipulation like never before as the social media generation comes of age.

3- The voting demographics in this country have shifted in a way that bodes very, very ill for the US.

I'm not without hope though. The liberal and socialist big government pursuits of the current regime are fiscally unsustainable. Once the people feel the pain they will, by nature, raise up and pursue conservative, fiscal and social responsibility once again.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:30 PM   #18
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Of course not. If being rich is a political drawback, it isn't much of one, at all.

Romney is going to lose, aside from facing a tough opponent who would be difficult for anyone to beat, because Romney is a terrible politician who is utterly unlikable. Secondary to that, is the 47% thing discussed behind everyone's back, which has really stuck with a lot of people.
I agree with everything except for that. If we had a candidate that wasn't a political boob, I think Obama would be trailing big right now. Of course, that is speculative at best, but that is my belief.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:53 PM   #19
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If Romney loses the election it's not because He is too wealthy, it will be because too many Americans are stupid.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:58 PM   #20
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:59 PM   #21
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Well, its hard to be an incumbent in any election.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:02 PM   #22
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Every economic indicator shows that, historically, there is no way obama should win. Incumbents with his record of economic and employment failure have always lost.

Which tells me, since obama is up in the polls:

1- The Rs failed in their nomination/Romney has run a horrible campaign

2- The focus in elections has moved away from qualifications into image manipulation like never before as the social media generation comes of age.

3- The voting demographics in this country have shifted in a way that bodes very, very ill for the US.

I'm not without hope though. The liberal and socialist big government pursuits of the current regime are fiscally unsustainable. Once the people feel the pain they will, by nature, raise up and pursue conservative, fiscal and social responsibility once again.
The question is, will those numbers by then be large enough to over-ride those who have become dependent on government. Will we be a government with a country or a country with a government?
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:07 PM   #24
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If Romney loses the election it's not because He is too wealthy, it will be because too many Americans are stupid.
Actually, most studies show a much stronger correlation between the Republican party and lower intelligence than the opposite...
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Actually, most studies show a much stronger correlation between the Republican party and lower intelligence than the opposite...
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:22 PM   #27
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Actually, most studies show a much stronger correlation between the Republican party and lower intelligence than the opposite...
I think the study you are referring to was related to the IQ of those who expressed a preference for conservative views.

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Every economic indicator shows that, historically, there is no way obama should win. Incumbents with his record of economic and employment failure have always lost.

Which tells me, since obama is up in the polls:

1- The Rs failed in their nomination/Romney has run a horrible campaign

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3- The voting demographics in this country have shifted in a way that bodes very, very ill for the US.

I'm not without hope though. The liberal and socialist big government pursuits of the current regime are fiscally unsustainable. Once the people feel the pain they will, by nature, raise up and pursue conservative, fiscal and social responsibility once again.
It is your reply that belies why Romney won't win this election. Romney is the representative of the Republican Party. The problem is that most Republicans are blinded to the fact most Americans don't like the Republican Party because of how far to the right they have nested. The Republican Party has often been to the right, but most people believed they would cozy back to the middle if they won. They don't believe it that any longer.

The Rebs continue to make enemies of the working class, of minorities, of women, and then you guys go into absolute denial that its true. The Republicans abandoned the middle because they believed the way they could secure the most votes in an election was to get in bed with the religious right. As the religious right gets more conservative, the candidates have to take outlandish positions in their primaries so that the political center of the country looks at them as either religiously extreme or corporate elitist, or both.

Many of the core values of the Republican Party could appeal to the middle, to minorities, and to women, but they are going to have to divorce themselves from looking like a safe have for Christian extremism and Corporate greed. Until then, it won't matter who the Rebs put up there or how good/bad the previous guy is perceived in doing his job. If you keep making your party more and more "exclusive", you'll never find the majority appeal.
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Well studies show a lot of you geniuses are likely to do something really, really stupid in November.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:24 PM   #30
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Dude.
What? It's true. That's not to say that all Republicans are dumb and all Democrats are smart. Very far from it. There's plenty of idiocy on both sides. But there's a pretty obvious correlation between conservative views and intelligence level, and it's been that way forever.
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