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Old 10-01-2012, 11:37 AM  
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Will Romney lose the election because hes too rich?
Just MHO but i think the guy loses. Ive heard this same sort of response with alot of working class people when discussing Romney. (Both Repub and Dem)

Basically they cant relate because they think hes elitist.


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The Obama ad is called "Not One of Us," and that was another theme of my conversations with voters about Romney. (It's an insidious title -- can you imagine Romney making an anti-Obama ad called "not one of us" without getting shouted down for implicit racism?) Those opposed to Obama cited various reasons, from disappointment to anger to being convinced he's a Muslim. But the impressions of Romney were remarkably consistent: He's for the rich.

"I think Obama's more for the regular working class people, and Romney's for the big business and the well-to-do," said Eric Burkhead, the road and cemetery superintendent for Kirkwood Township, working on a truck in the gravel driveway of the local garage. The 66-year-old didn't like what he saw happening with coal and wasn't wild about Obamacare, but he planned to vote for Obama.

I heard it over and over again from Ohioans -- the idea that Romney stands for the wealthy and not for them. Obama's depiction of his rival as an out-of-touch rich guy, which has gotten no little assistance from Romney himself, has made a deep and effective impression with these self-consciously working-class voters.





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Old 10-01-2012, 02:24 PM   #31
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It is your reply that belies why Romney won't win this election. Romney is the representative of the Republican Party. The problem is that most Republicans are blinded to the fact most Americans don't like the Republican Party because of how far to the right they have nested. The Republican Party has often been to the right, but most people believed they would cozy back to the middle if they won. They don't believe it that any longer.

The Rebs continue to make enemies of the working class, of minorities, of women, and then you guys go into absolute denial that its true. The Republicans abandoned the middle because they believed the way they could secure the most votes in an election was to get in bed with the religious right. As the religious right gets more conservative, the candidates have to take outlandish positions in their primaries so that the political center of the country looks at them as either religiously extreme or corporate elitist, or both.

Many of the core values of the Republican Party could appeal to the middle, to minorities, and to women, but they are going to have to divorce themselves from looking like a safe have for Christian extremism and Corporate greed. Until then, it won't matter who the Rebs put up there or how good/bad the previous guy is perceived in doing his job. If you keep making your party more and more "exclusive", you'll never find the majority appeal.
Corporate greed? Christian extremism? Dead giveaways.

Forgive me if I don't take seriously a Californian resident's views on what constitutes conservatism without first qualifying your stance.

For instance: do you advocate a single-payer health insurance system?
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:29 PM   #32
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Corporate greed? Christian extremism? Dead giveaways.

Forgive me if I don't take seriously a Californian resident's views on what constitutes conservatism without first qualifying your stance.

For instance: do you advocate a single-payer health insurance system?
His world view is pretty much dominated by how good the most recent air traffic controller's collective bargaining agreement is for the union. Once that predominant issue is out of the way, he's just the west coast Dave Lane.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:30 PM   #33
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Forgive me if I don't take seriously a Californian resident's views on what constitutes conservatism without first qualifying your stance.

For instance: do you advocate a single-payer health insurance system?
First of all, color me shocked you can't take an honest assessment from someone not of your shared opinion. It is exactly that type of pride that keeps you from seeing your own flaws, you don't even honestly want to assess them.

I grew up in Kansas, voted for Bush I and Dole, supported Reagan before I could vote., so at least I can say I have been on the other side, and the Reb Party of today resembles nothing of that period. So, I don't really give a shit about your qualifying standards to be able to assess your Party's fall. There they are you can assess or ignore them at your own peril, I'm not looking to rejoin.
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His world view is pretty much dominated by how good the most recent air traffic controller's collective bargaining agreement is for the union. Once that predominant issues out of the way, he's just the west coast Dave Lane.
Another that ran to California seeking job protection from the mother state.
Thanks for clarifying. Good thing unions are being weakened or eliminated systematically, perhaps it will bring those types back into focus with the reality of today's world.
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First of all, color me shocked you can't take an honest assessment from someone not of your shared opinion. It is exactly that type of pride that keeps you from seeing your own flaws, you don't even honestly want to assess them.

I grew up in Kansas, voted for Bush I and Dole, supported Reagan before I could vote., so at least I can say I have been on the other side, and the Reb Party of today resembles nothing of that period. So, I don't really give a shit about your qualifying standards to be able to assess your Party's fall. There they are you can assess or ignore them at your own peril, I'm not looking to rejoin.
Agreed, the R party of today has strayed widely from it's roots.
As has the D party.
It's one of the reasons nothing gets done in DC.

Do you approve of obamacare in place of the system as it was before obamacare?

Would you vote for or against a single-payer health care system in the US?
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His world view is pretty much dominated by how good the most recent air traffic controller's collective bargaining agreement is for the union. Once that predominant issue is out of the way, he's just the west coast Dave Lane.
Yes, it is, but at least I can honestly say I vote in my own interests. And by the way, it didn't used to be this way. Air Traffic Controllers used to be fairly split in political allegiences. The Republicans decided to make Labor their enemy. NATCA actually supports the campaigns of both parties as long as the candidates support NATCA positions. But, of course, its much easier to trade barbs with ignorant generalities than do an honest self assessment.
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Yes, it is, but at least I can honestly say I vote in my own interests. And by the way, it didn't used to be this way. Air Traffic Controllers used to be fairly split in political allegiences. The Republicans decided to make Labor their enemy. NATCA actually supports the campaigns of both parties as long as the candidates support NATCA positions. But, of course, its much easier to trade barbs with ignorant generalities than do an honest self assessment.
Everyone votes in their best interest, or thinks they are.
Nobody can blame you or anyone for that as long as you are honest about it.
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Agreed, the R party of today has strayed widely from it's roots.
As has the D party.
It's one of the reasons nothing gets done in DC.

Do you approve of obamacare in place of the system as it was before obamacare?

Would you vote for or against a single-payer health care system in the US?
I'm not herre to discuss my political preferences, it wasn't the point of the OP. Besides, it just descends into a microcosm of the same barbs the two parties lob back and forth. Its tiresome and a bore. You think you can solve what ails you by trying to win an internet argument.

I'm not saying Republicans have to adopt Democratic ideas. I'm saying you've abandoned Republican ideas that could appeal to the middle. It could be reclaimed, but you either can't or are unwilling to do it because you are afraid of losing the current Republican base. As long as you believe the current Republican base will deliver victory on the national stage, the longer your misery is going to continue.
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Actually, most studies show a much stronger correlation between the Republican party and lower intelligence than the opposite...


Obama is the Matt Cassel of American Presidents.


Those who vote for him are the fans still wearing #7 jerseys around the KC Metro....in line for free obamaphone!
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Another that ran to California seeking job protection from the mother state.
Thanks for clarifying. Good thing unions are being weakened or eliminated systematically, perhaps it will bring those types back into focus with the reality of today's world.
See, this is the example. Instead of reaching out to the middle, you attack and derride it. "Ran to California"? I mean, you do realize ATC is a national scope profession? You talk about how it is a good thing that unions are being "systematically" eliminated, and yet are often the standard for which middle class wage earning Americans would call their "American Dream". How do you expect to win back the middle when your attitude is that anyone who makes a wage as opposed to entrepeneurship, is somehow a dependent drain on the American culture? When are you going to divorce yourself of this vitriol? People who attack the union have no idea what the union does FOR the American well being and safety, how they now work in concert with management for the improvement and economic streamlining of the system. They prefer to swin in the stereotyping because the Republicans decided to make them one of the scapegoats of their platform.
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Obama is the Matt Cassel of American Presidents.


Those who vote for him are the fans still wearing #7 jerseys around the KC Metro....in line for free obamaphone!
Mitt will have my Vote in November, but I think the Republican Party ****ed themselves and this Country by not putting up a better candidate.

Mitt has less public appeal than McCain. I'm not sure how that is even possible, but imo, it's true.
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If Obama is Cassel, Romney is Blackledge.
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Mitt will have my Vote in November, but I think the Republican Party ****ed themselves and this Country by not putting up a better candidate.

Mitt has less public appeal than McCain. I'm not sure how that is even possible, but imo, it's true.
It is systematic of the Republican Party. Who is this magical candidate that can appeal to the Republican base AND the American middle? That person doesn't exist without getting himself caught in a bevy of contradictions when switching from Primary to National appeal. Its not just the people, its the party.

McCain was "maverick" who the party squarely rejected in favor of Bush, so he contorted his previous persona to appear like the "conservative" the Reb base would accept. Romney was a Mass governor who embraced Reb ideas that have now been abandoned as liberal sins, middle America opinions on women's issues into a "Pro-Life"er. Its not the candidates, its the party.
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I'm not herre to discuss my political preferences, it wasn't the point of the OP. Besides, it just descends into a microcosm of the same barbs the two parties lob back and forth. Its tiresome and a bore. You think you can solve what ails you by trying to win an internet argument.

I'm not saying Republicans have to adopt Democratic ideas. I'm saying you've abandoned Republican ideas that could appeal to the middle. It could be reclaimed, but you either can't or are unwilling to do it because you are afraid of losing the current Republican base. As long as you believe the current Republican base will deliver victory on the national stage, the longer your misery is going to continue.
You are aware you are in the DC forum, no?
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