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Old 10-01-2012, 11:37 AM  
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Will Romney lose the election because hes too rich?

Just MHO but i think the guy loses. Ive heard this same sort of response with alot of working class people when discussing Romney. (Both Repub and Dem)

Basically they cant relate because they think hes elitist.


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The Obama ad is called "Not One of Us," and that was another theme of my conversations with voters about Romney. (It's an insidious title -- can you imagine Romney making an anti-Obama ad called "not one of us" without getting shouted down for implicit racism?) Those opposed to Obama cited various reasons, from disappointment to anger to being convinced he's a Muslim. But the impressions of Romney were remarkably consistent: He's for the rich.

"I think Obama's more for the regular working class people, and Romney's for the big business and the well-to-do," said Eric Burkhead, the road and cemetery superintendent for Kirkwood Township, working on a truck in the gravel driveway of the local garage. The 66-year-old didn't like what he saw happening with coal and wasn't wild about Obamacare, but he planned to vote for Obama.

I heard it over and over again from Ohioans -- the idea that Romney stands for the wealthy and not for them. Obama's depiction of his rival as an out-of-touch rich guy, which has gotten no little assistance from Romney himself, has made a deep and effective impression with these self-consciously working-class voters.





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Old 10-01-2012, 07:35 PM   #61
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Not necessarily.

Being rich is not a huge knock.

Appearing as being for the rich at the expense of everybody else, however, is.

Which is the hole Romney's allowed Obama to pigeon him into, and which he's just done an awful job demonstrating otherwise.
And here's the rub. People decry people who wear their faith on their sleeve. But Romney is circumspect about his his religion, so he's doing an 'awful job' of painting himself as a compassionate person, because he's very private about that aspect of his life.

In return, you have supposition like Bump's thoroughly unfounded opinion in the first reply.

How many people here are, or even KNOW, someone who has given >$2M to charity in their life, let alone in a year.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:52 PM
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:59 PM   #62
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And here's the rub. People decry people who wear their faith on their sleeve. But Romney is circumspect about his his religion, so he's doing an 'awful job' of painting himself as a compassionate person, because he's very private about that aspect of his life.

In return, you have supposition like Bump's thoroughly unfounded opinion in the first reply.

How many people here are, or even KNOW, someone who has given >$2M to charity in their life, let alone in a year.
Yes he donated 15% of his income to taxes. Both of those listed were to groups who had a huge agenda towards fighting gay marriage. So before putting him on this giant pedestal, I would submit that he was following his religious agenda with a tax write off, not feeding the poor.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:05 PM   #63
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Yes he donated 15% of his income to taxes. Both of those listed were to groups who had a huge agenda towards fighting gay marriage. So before putting him on this giant pedestal, I would submit that he was following his religious agenda with a tax write off, not feeding the poor.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:06 PM   #64
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Yes he donated 15% of his income to taxes. Both of those listed were to groups who had a huge agenda towards fighting gay marriage. So before putting him on this giant pedestal, I would submit that he was following his religious agenda with a tax write off, not feeding the poor.
Which were the two groups listed? I assume his church is one of them because I think most of his charitable donations go to the church. Complaining about that is pretty weak (and it's beyond silly to connect that with "fighting gay marriage" as the only itemized effort of the donee). I suspect that most of the charitable giving of most middle class households is to their church as well. Maybe he's more in touch than some people give him credit for being.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:47 PM   #65
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Yes he donated 15% of his income to taxes. Both of those listed were to groups who had a huge agenda towards fighting gay marriage. So before putting him on this giant pedestal, I would submit that he was following his religious agenda with a tax write off, not feeding the poor.
Judgmental hypocritical bullshit here J Did. You honestly feel it's ok for you to criticize someone's charitable donations that aren't going toward illegal activities?
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:19 PM   #66
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Judgmental hypocritical bullshit here J Did. You honestly feel it's ok for you to criticize someone's charitable donations that aren't going toward illegal activities?
That's like saying all money taken in by Planned Parenthood is for abortions. All money that Romney donated goes to hateful anti-gay organizations and of course this makes him anti-gay.

I can't wait to have me a Chik-Fil-A once they open the one down the street. And of course that means I am anti-gay.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:29 PM   #67
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:37 PM   #68
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It's sad that the dude has an effective tax rate of like 11% or so, and also gives like 35% to charity...but he's an asshole who doesn't care for people...

...Romney has done a terrible job of image packaging but in today's world, there's probably not much he could do anyway.
His effective tax rate means little to me. That's why these jackass commercails try to present it as a percentage and not an actually dollar amount because he's pays as much in taxes at 14 percent than over 250 income tax paying families in this country.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:34 PM   #69
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It is your reply that belies why Romney won't win this election. Romney is the representative of the Republican Party. The problem is that most Republicans are blinded to the fact most Americans don't like the Republican Party because of how far to the right they have nested. The Republican Party has often been to the right, but most people believed they would cozy back to the middle if they won. They don't believe it that any longer.

The Rebs continue to make enemies of the working class, of minorities, of women, and then you guys go into absolute denial that its true. The Republicans abandoned the middle because they believed the way they could secure the most votes in an election was to get in bed with the religious right. As the religious right gets more conservative, the candidates have to take outlandish positions in their primaries so that the political center of the country looks at them as either religiously extreme or corporate elitist, or both.

Many of the core values of the Republican Party could appeal to the middle, to minorities, and to women, but they are going to have to divorce themselves from looking like a safe have for Christian extremism and Corporate greed. Until then, it won't matter who the Rebs put up there or how good/bad the previous guy is perceived in doing his job. If you keep making your party more and more "exclusive", you'll never find the majority appeal.
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